Those numbers are very impressive and its crazy to think how many 900-1500 horsepower vipers are starting to roam the highways regardless if it is a cpe, underground, or heffner car etc.
Are you fucking serious?!?
And FYI...I don't need you to explain the difference between hypereutectic and forged pistons to me.
S.
Yes, I am. Enjoy your kit...hope you learned something tonight and feel free join "honda Vtec type-R" forums, a lot of the civics on there are running meth inj. on their B16 (1.6L 4 banger) ~$1.9K turbo kits with great results.. ...goodnight.
Tell you what...why don't you meet up with Josh and I in your B&W for some friendly racing at Atco this spring. Maybe you can find a CPE customer to shadow all day and wipe the dirty water from the burnout box off his quarter panel while expounding the superiority of the CPE sidemount system over the "inferior" UGR Paxton cars.
Because...that's all you are...a cheerleader. So take your pom-poms, have a seat, and shut the fuck up.
S.
What a mess already... anyways... for all involved to make it happen and for what the set is those #'s are great and with billet main caps reeling in morpe power is just a few psi away. Now its the matter of getting the power to the ground.
I hope Tony's thread doesn't get messed up like this once he finishes his CPE build. What a great deal if the tuner wars between CPE, UGR, Heff, SVS ect would die down a bit. Take the cars out and run them like everyone else does and let the results do the talking.
Now go enjoy the car Tom and get some videos.
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So I am a little confused also....I want TT's on my car.....If i pay you Castllano 10K you will put TT on my car?Or does it cost more than that? I would like to have them done if it costs 10K like you say it does. When can I have it done?
So I am a little confused also....I want TT's on my car.....If i pay you Castllano 10K you will put TT on my car?Or does it cost more than that? I would like to have them done if it costs 10K like you say it does. When can I have it done?
Ok so total cost for my car if I brought it to you to have TT installed would be how much exactly? I have like a 225 or 250 shot of nos and propane on it now headers and full exhaust with air filter.....I would have the nos/propane off of it before i gave it to you.....so give me a price that I would pay you for everything if you don't mind please?
Tell you what...why don't you meet up with Josh and I in your B&W for some friendly racing at Atco this spring. Maybe you can find a CPE customer to shadow all day and wipe the dirty water from the burnout box off his quarter panel while expounding the superiority of the CPE sidemount system over the "inferior" UGR Paxton cars.
Because...that's all you are...a cheerleader. So take your pom-poms, have a seat, and shut the fuck up.
S.
Truly pathetic.....go shred a belt or something, LOL..
Ok so total cost for my car if I brought it to you to have TT installed would be how much exactly? I have like a 225 or 250 shot of nos and propane on it now headers and full exhaust with air filter.....I would have the nos/propane off of it before i gave it to you.....so give me a price that I would pay you for everything if you don't mind please?
JD, you are not giving me enough information.
I usually do a phone call for the preliminary consultation to discuss all available options to determine exactly which route to take which will ultimately determine the cost to get it done.
Truly pathetic.....go shred a belt or something, LOL..
Go do some more CPE cheerleading. Maybe you should start another thread with giant letters to proclaim your admiration. Does Paolo send you his dirty underwear to stuff under your pillow too?
Here you go...Alternative's car...
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Originally Posted by Alternative
636/688 - boost controller turned off (7psi springs), 91 pump gas
793/819 - 12 psi, 91 pump gas
909/867 - 16 psi, 100 octane "pump gas"
See that? 793 rwhp on pump gas. But I'm sure the AF's would have stayed nice and safe with another 120 rwhp.
Here is JG01's car...
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Originally Posted by CPE
On 93 pump gas, Jody's car made almost 750 RWHP and around 780ish RWTQ on 10 PSI with mid 11's air fuel ratios.
With the water-meth some more timing, it made 770+ RWHP and somewhere over 800 RWTQ(I don't remember exactly) on 10 PSI.
Now we wanted to stabilize the boost pressure because it was ranging from 9.2-10.0-10.2ish from 4800-6000RPM.
Anybody knowing how the AEM boost controller duty cycle works, you will have experienced how upping the duty cycle sometimes gets you nothing and sometimes it moves a lot.
I had been upping it in 5% increments getting no change to .2 PSI changes.
Well, the next 5% increment made 4 more PSI(14 PSI) and the car made 897 RWHP and 931 RWTQ with 11.8's air fuel ratios!
We checked the plugs and they looked great!
See those AF's on pump gas? Care to tell me how, exactly, they are going to stay in the mid-11's with another 150 rwhp to avoid scattering the bottom end?
More octane = more boost = more horsepower.
Methanol = more octane
Pretty simple, really.
Certainly, if there was more to be had on straight pump, they would have gotten it.
S.
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Becuase they're nutswingers that DIDN'T go this direction and purchase the kit themselves and feel horrible about their investment. For godsakes, can someone educate as to ONE reason someone would "CHOOSE" a belt driven blower kit running a band-aid ricer meth injection system over a fully functional intercooled TT package that has 1300+RWHP "potential" for the SAME money? ROFL!! ...Just ONE legitament reason* (and if a nutswinger brings up "warranty" one more time I'ma lose a kidney to laughter...)
Wrong, looks like you're the one who's "clueless"...the 900rwhp side-mount TT cars you're referring to were CREAMPUFF's. Cast pistoned motors are super sensative to any sort of heat & detonation. They NEED the ricer band-aid to keep from destructing. A stock forged motored 97' such Josh's or mine will make 900RWHP all day long on pump gas using NO ricer band-aid meth if running the CPE TT kit. That's the point I was/am making.
Wait Kevin, does your car make 900 rwhp? I could have sworn that your car is merely stock?
With a good tune and zero detonation exactly how much will the bottom end endure on a few dyno pulls? Do you have this number?
Does anyone you know have it or just an opinion of it?
You know, like an opinion on how big a piece of dirt in the engine is ok. SAE engineers have already figured it out FWIW - it is anything over around 10 microns with 40 microns up being a bummer over time - bugger because not even those little SC filters will get those nasties out ... and guys worry about cutting their cars up for a TT? Are saying that it is pointless to run a filter because the ones included on blowers dont stop particles small enough. If so, thanks for the back-up. Oh, is it also dumb for UGR to warranty my motor and blower against damage from not running with one?
I would not touch a used SC viper unless it was real cheap because that engine would be coming out Umm, who here has a used supercharger?
What about the idea that water/meth is a band aid? We should hurry along and tell the folk at WRC so we can straighten them out as they spend millions on their engine development. Again, read a bit more Barry. I run methanol inj on my car. My posts regarding it were sarcasticly presented due to some asinine comments left by Kevin The CPE Ballcoddler.
See these are opinions and those are fine - every tuner has their own success story and way of doing things but there are many ways to skin a cat so don't go thinking your way is the only way or even the best way... it is the way you chose and good for you. Right on, now assuming the reason why you never chimed in on my UGR thread which lasted over a dozen pages of CPE hating was because? Hipocrite is one word which comes to mind. Irrelavent is another.
The horror stories of broken bottoms all appear to relate to bad tunes or date back to the days when precise tuning was not available.
So your saying that it is perfectly safe to run 1300 rwhp without main caps as long as your tune is good? Just thinking I can pass that info along to a few friends and ruin their day.
As far as what was removed, the flexible ducting to the turbo air inlet was removed since we could not make any more than 14 PSI with the ducting in place.
Forgive me for still being confused. I thought one of the huge benefits to the CPE TT system (at least according to the CPE camp) was that it makes all of its numbers on pump gas and with the filters in place.
Am I now to understand that this car was not only running a forged bottom end, big Striker heads, and an upgraded fuel system, but also HAD THE ENTIRE INTAKE TUBING SYSTEM AND BOTH AIR FILTERS REMOVED and was using race fuel?
Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds like the CPE TT kit could only make 14psi with the air filters and flexible tubing in place and did not yield anywhere NEAR 1267 rwhp until you removed the restrictive air intake system and the boost spiked (accidentally) to 22 psi. Running without air filters is completely contradictory to what all of the CPE supporters have alleged and is hypocritical in light of their derogatory posts about those who chose to remove the filters on their cars.
Furthermore, according to the owner,
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Originally Posted by GTSnake
It was actually a fluke run
So this is not what would normally be expected from this car under normal conditions? So one can't expect 1267 rwhp from this kit as it is designed and driven on the street?
And then some quotes from the owner on this board:
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Originally Posted by GTSnake
The process has been an overall positive one but someone drawn out due to some scheduling.
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Originally Posted by GTSnake
I'm just glad nothing blew up during the run.
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Originally Posted by GTSnake
It's pretty evident that the Striker heads have a lot to do with the results
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Originally Posted by GTSnake
But yes, the total bill cannot be looked at $10k for a finished turbo system. There are always misc. items that come up. When are you EVER on time or budget?
Again, maybe I'm reading too much into these posts, but it sounds like:
1. This is a $30,000 build (not a $10k bolt-on build);
2. It took longer than expected to complete;
3. The 1267 rwhp was a complete fluke;
4. The 1267 rwhp was made with the entire intake system, including filters, removed;
5. The heads are a big part of the reason the car made the power;
6. The power was made on race fuel; and
7. The owner is simply glad it didn't blow up and will never run that kind of power on the street.
