I've done it for half of that WITH a bunch of extras.
Then you bought a bunch of used parts and you're not figuring in install and tuning time.
Personally, if I wasn't traveling for my job and committed as I am, laying on my back in the garage might be enticing. But my life is not so uncomplicated that I can find time to wrench on the car to install a TT kit in my spare time.
S.
Just FYI...pure methanol has an RON of 113. I don't see how using some type of methanol/alky injection is anywhere near "ricer".
Fucking Buick guys have been doing it for YEARS on LC2 cars.
S.
Just FYI...pure methanol has an RON of 113. I don't see how using some type of methanol/alky injection is anywhere near "ricer".
Fucking Buick guys have been doing it for YEARS on LC2 cars.
S.
I personally have no problem with it as long as it is made known when stating numbers. However, the 950 in this case was made on pure pump.
Then you bought a bunch of used parts and you're not figuring in install and tuning time.
Personally, if I wasn't traveling for my job and committed as I am, laying on my back in the garage might be enticing. But my life is not so uncomplicated that I can find time to wrench on the car to install a TT kit in my spare time.
S.
Kit $9.999
AEM: $3,000.00
Injectors: $750.00
Fuel rails and throttle cable bracket: $400.00
FUEL SYSTEM:$1000
((w/air filters)) ALL NEW!
I'm going to let you add it up.
Even if I paid for install and tune it would still be under $20,000.
Come down to HOT ASS TEXAS in the summer and we can go for a fun cruise(if your car dosen't heat up)And do have to cut thru some dirt roads but YOU might have to go all the way around.
Come down to HOT ASS TEXAS in the summer and we can go for a fun cruise(if your car dosen't heat up)And do have to cut thru some dirt roads but YOU might have to go all the way around.
Uhh...I'm not sure I'd be throwing around comments about the intercooled Paxton cars "heating up" while you're putting a TT kit on a car.
S.
All of jg01's numbers were pump gas and pump gas + meth.
Wait a minute bro...Tom's 950rwhp numbers were made without even using meth inj.(a la ricer band-aid)** Paolo came on here and made that point himself....what are you saying!? Don't make a misleading comment like that to give V10Kingnutswinger (Josh) a break from gargling on Kevin@UGR's nutsack.
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Originally Posted by Paolo Castalleno
Barry, that was with 93 pump.
On pump gas, it made 950 RWHP and 960 RWTQ on like 11.2 PSI.
Tom's car felt fantastic on the highway!
Last edited by Kevin D : January 21st, 2008 at 12:01 AM.
Wait a minute bro...the 950rwhp numbers were NOT made using meth** Paolo came on here and made that point himself....what are you saying!? Don't make a misleading comment like that to give Josh a break from gargling on Kevin@UGR's nutsack.
Uh....jg01's car was the creampuff. This car was GTSnake's car. I already said that car made its numbers on pump gas only....in fact I did it twice.
Why in the hell is everyone acting so surprised about the #'s. For God sakes, its a built viper motor with 20+lbs of boost. It should be making that kinda of power. Im not impressed at all because its been done by SVS, UGR & HEFFNER years ago. And I do mean YEARS ago. Damn, you guys need to wake up.
perhaps you could educate me:
Please list all the cars that have made 1267rwhp++ corrected on 22psi of boost or under that have spent around $10k on the turbo system?
If you then combine what both the engine mods and TT cost this total package will still come under what most have been paying just for a TT system on a stock engine. The point here it is a bargain for the money for those willing to go the DIY route.
I sure could be proven wrong but I suspect the cars making 1267rwhp++ at 22psi or less (if there are any) have engines worth more than this one and a lot more invested in the TT.... but that is just a guess.
BTW you say "20+ lbs of boost" as though anything more than that lumps them all together. Actually there is a difference between 20psi and 21, and 25 and even 30 (which some of the big guns have been pulling).
Personally I like $30k++ motors plus a TT on top of that - but this thread is not about those, it is about what a guy can do in his own garage with a good tuner and some good bolt ons with a good DIY TT setup for a lot less money. Some people like that - why be hating?
Wait a minute bro...Tom's 950rwhp numbers were made without even using meth inj.(a la ricer band-aid)** Paolo came on here and made that point himself....what are you saying!? Don't make a misleading comment like that to give V10Kingnutswinger (Josh) a break from gargling on Kevin@UGR's nutsack.
So the other two CPE side-mount cars that were running water/meth are "ricer band-aid" cars?
That's weak, and it makes you look clueless.
This car has a built bottom end with a set of top-of-the-line heads on it.
The stock headed side-mount TT cars made ~900 rwhp with water/meth or 100-octane "pump" gas and much less with straight 93-pump.
Perhaps you should focus on the facts here instead of flaming people and letting one of the CPE guys have to correct you.
S.
Personally I like $30k++ motors plus a TT on top of that - but this thread is not about those, it is about what a guy can do in his own garage with a good tuner and some good bolt ons with a good DIY TT setup for a lot less money. Some people like that - why be hating?
Becuase they're nutswingers that DIDN'T go this direction and purchase the kit themselves and feel horrible about their investment. For godsakes, can someone educate as to ONE reason someone would "CHOOSE" a belt driven blower kit running a band-aid ricer meth injection system over a fully functional intercooled TT package that has 1300+RWHP "potential" for the SAME money? ROFL!! ...Just ONE legitament reason* (and if a nutswinger brings up "warranty" one more time I'ma lose a kidney to laughter...)
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Originally Posted by Snorman
So the other two CPE side-mount cars that were running water/meth are "ricer band-aid" cars? This car has a built bottom end with a set of top-of-the-line heads on it. The stock headed side-mount TT cars made ~900 rwhp with water/meth or 100-octane "pump" gas and much less with straight 93-pump.
S.
Wrong, looks like you're the one who's "clueless"...the 900rwhp side-mount TT cars you're referring to were CREAMPUFF's. Cast pistoned motors are super sensative to any sort of heat & detonation. They NEED the ricer band-aid to keep from destructing. A stock forged motored 97' such Josh's or mine will make 900RWHP all day long on pump gas using NO ricer band-aid meth if running the CPE TT kit. That's the point I was/am making.
Last edited by Kevin D : January 21st, 2008 at 12:21 AM.
Good point Tony. Gotta believe the guys that preceeded CPE to this HP hurdle were doing this on built motors with main caps though. CPE must have a hell of a warranty to bump the boost above 20# and put up over 1300 rwhp on a customers car without their knowledge on an untouched bottom end.
With a good tune and zero detonation exactly how much will the bottom end endure on a few dyno pulls? Do you have this number?
Does anyone you know have it or just an opinion of it?
You know, like an opinion on how big a piece of dirt in the engine is ok. SAE engineers have already figured it out FWIW - it is anything over around 10 microns with 40 microns up being a bummer over time - bugger because not even those little SC filters will get those nasties out ... and guys worry about cutting their cars up for a TT?
I would not touch a used SC viper unless it was real cheap because that engine would be coming out
What about the idea that water/meth is a band aid? We should hurry along and tell the folk at WRC so we can straighten them out as they spend millions on their engine development.
See these are opinions and those are fine - every tuner has their own success story and way of doing things but there are many ways to skin a cat so don't go thinking your way is the only way or even the best way... it is the way you chose and good for you.
The horror stories of broken bottoms all appear to relate to bad tunes or date back to the days when precise tuning was not available.
How the fuck do I feel "horrible" about my investment.
Perhaps you should spend more time reading and understanding instead of fucking talking or typing.
You look more foolish everytime you refer to meth/alky injection systems as "band aid ricer" methods.
For $15k, I would have had a 900 rwhp setup on pump gas. For $20k I put a set of heads on it and have a turn-key, 950 rwhp setup that is sitting in my garage right now and probably one of the stronger blown cars out there.
I don't regret my "investment" (of you're silly enough to consider it that) one bit.
S.
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'98 GTS, red...blown...not built by a furniture moving man in a wood-frame garage...
How the fuck do I feel "horrible" about my investment.
Perhaps you should spend more time reading and understanding instead of fucking talking or typing.
You look more foolish everytime you refer to meth/alky injection systems as "band aid ricer" methods.
For $15k, I would have had a 900 rwhp setup on pump gas. For $20k I put a set of heads on it and have a turn-key, 950 rwhp setup that is sitting in my garage right now and probably one of the stronger blown cars out there.
I don't regret my "investment" (of you're silly enough to consider it that) one bit.
S.
Obviously I've struck a nerve...I'm sorry sir. Sorry for your loss..
Paolo came on here and made that point himself....what are you saying!? Don't make a misleading comment like that to give V10Kingnutswinger (Josh) a break from gargling on Kevin@UGR's nutsack.
