Paolo, were these numbers made on the STOCK motor/bottom-end !? I know he had bolted on a set of JM heads but was the cam and rest of the motor left untouched? Thanks..
JohnnyBravo; I could be wrong but I think your double-charging some of the items in your "list" ...for example, the VEC 3 comes with the $10K kit, and the "tuning" is including in the $4000 installation cost. Plus, the JM heads aren't anything he charges...it happend to be on the car. (IMO not need to make ~1200+rwhp). So you deduct the $1100, $500, and $6900 from your list and you have a $16.8K total cost for a 1200+RWHP system INSTALLED and TUNED* Pretty unbeatable by any other tuner performance to cost wise if you ask me...
I carefully reviewed the build list on CPE's website, and I do not believe that the VEC comes with the $10k kit. It is, in fact, listed separately. Tuning, likewise is listed separately from installation. I don't think you can realistically deduct ANYTHING from that list, as it was all required to make the 1300 rhwp, ALONG WITH UPGRADED PISTONS AND RODS.
While 1300 rwhp is impressive, in order for this customer to achieve that number, he's into that build for over $30,000. Those are the facts. And even with the $30k investment, as PFR stated, that 1300 rwhp number still can't be used on the street because the car doesn't have main caps.
I'm not saying anything negative about the build or the final numbers at all. I just thought it was a bit confusing for someone to state that "this is my $10k bolt on kit", when it is really a $10k kit bolted on to a built motor with Striker heads, a custom fuel system, a VEC2, etc, etc, making it about a $30,000 project.
Nonetheless, congrats to CPE on the numbers. I can't wait to see the torque numbers as well.
I carefully reviewed the build list on CPE's website, and I do not believe that the VEC comes with the $10k kit. It is, in fact, listed separately. Tuning, likewise is listed separately from installation. I don't think you can realistically deduct ANYTHING from that list, as it was all required to make the 1300 rhwp, ALONG WITH UPGRADED PISTONS AND RODS.
While 1300 rwhp is impressive, in order for this customer to achieve that number, he's into that build for over $30,000. Those are the facts. And even with the $30k investment, as PFR stated, that 1300 rwhp number still can't be used on the street because the car doesn't have main caps.
I'm not saying anything negative about the build or the final numbers at all. I just thought it was a bit confusing for someone to state that "this is my $10k bolt on kit", when it is really a $10k kit bolted on to a built motor with Striker heads, a custom fuel system, a VEC2, etc, etc, making it about a $30,000 project.
Nonetheless, congrats to CPE on the numbers. I can't wait to see the torque numbers as well.
Couple things. The main caps would have cost an additional 1800 bucks, but at the time of the engine build, it was running a ROE, so no need for those. When Paolo finishes his red car shortly, everyone will see what a full CPE sidemount build makes and the associated costs to do so. Lastly, the torque numbers here are not gonna be that accurate except on the top end because a Dynojet doesn't load the engine like it would on the road. Datalogs show that the turbos can spool around 1000 RPM sooner on the street than on a Dynojet. However, I still expect to see pretty good torque numbers, just not the level one would see on the street.
I carefully reviewed the build list on CPE's website, and I do not believe that the VEC comes with the $10k kit. It is, in fact, listed separately. Tuning, likewise is listed separately from installation. I don't think you can realistically deduct ANYTHING from that list, as it was all required to make the 1300 rhwp, ALONG WITH UPGRADED PISTONS AND RODS.
While 1300 rwhp is impressive, in order for this customer to achieve that number, he's into that build for over $30,000. Those are the facts. And even with the $30k investment, as PFR stated, that 1300 rwhp number still can't be used on the street because the car doesn't have main caps.
I'm not saying anything negative about the build or the final numbers at all. I just thought it was a bit confusing for someone to state that "this is my $10k bolt on kit", when it is really a $10k kit bolted on to a built motor with Striker heads, a custom fuel system, a VEC2, etc, etc, making it about a $30,000 project.
Nonetheless, congrats to CPE on the numbers. I can't wait to see the torque numbers as well.
Mark, thank you for your support!
Especially with the shape of that power curve, I was just worried people might think these #'s were achieved with my front mount TT system.
My point with this post is to show the power levels that can be attained with my 10K TT system and various other components.
With my sidemount TT system, anybody even with a creampuff like Jody Gleason can go 100-150MPH in 5 seconds flat.
Anybody can put my 10K TT on their forged car and make 900+ RWHP with the air filters on and drive the car 20,000-30,000 miles in a year for about 20K installed and tuned with AEM.
Different from some of the power adder packages out there, the stock engine is what limits the power we can make with our TT package.
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Well the turbo system is $10k, the fuel system upgrades would be $2850 installed, an AEM (which this car does not have) would be $3000, install is $4000, tuning is $500 (seems awfully low, but if figured in with everythihng else, maybe not).
I come up with $20,350 not including the heads or anything else this particular car may have had (exhaust, etc.). It's got Strikers, and probably rockers, so you're looking at another ~$8k installed.
Like Johnny Bravo said, this is pushing $30k.
But very impressive numbers, nonetheless.
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Especially with the shape of that power curve, I was just worried people might think these #'s were achieved with my front mount TT system.
My point with this post is to show the power levels that can be attained with my 10K TT system and various other components.
With my sidemount TT system, anybody even with a creampuff like Jody Gleason can go 100-150MPH in 5 seconds flat.
Anybody can put my 10K TT on their forged car and make 900+ RWHP with the air filters on and drive the car 20,000-30,000 miles in a year for about 20K installed and tuned with AEM.Different from some of the power adder packages out there, the stock engine is what limits the power we can make with our TT package.
Just because my previous question went unanswered, I figured I would ask it again. We all know from my other thread(s) that Kevin and UGR have said what they warranty for it's customers running paxtons and TT'd with no filters so what is your policy for customers running a CPE build (other than the piping). If we are comparing one tuner to another one may wonder where they stand with you if they run into an "oops". Also P, could you clarify for everyone how much the owner was charged for your travel fees? I remember you telling me on the phone a WHILE back that your travel expenses, airfare, and time away from work (your other job) all need to be taking care of on top of the basic installation price. So again, in this builds case, what did that amount to?
Hey Guys, just to set the record straight my car has JE pistons, Oliver rods, Nitrited crank, Stock Cam, upgraded fuel system with a Welbro pump, -10 lines with -8 return, 72lb injectors, 70mm TB's. It has the stock main caps which I continuously kick myself daily for not doing it during my engine rebuild.
It was previously a Roe car so I had the VEC2 that I kept and the fuel system was already upgraded.
I went with Paolo's system because I liked the performance, potential and support. The process has been an overall positive one but somewhat drawn out due to some scheduling.
I was pretty amazed when i heard the HP numbers. I never expected anything close and would definitely tune it down for the street. I'm just glad nothing blew up during the run.
It's pretty evident that the Striker heads have a lot to do with the results so I believe that was well worth the expense. But yes, the total bill cannot be looked at $10k for a finished turbo system. There are always misc. items that come up. Just like when you build a house. When are you EVER on time or budget?
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i still wanna see what this and UR's original offer will do on a BASICALLY STOCK engine.
no heads, fuel systems,AEM etc.......just exhaust and rockers.
The $14.9k UGR Paxon setup included the fuel system, AEM and meth injection. Those are integral to the package that UGR offers, so comparing without them would be like comparing a Paxton "tuner kit" to a custom TT setup. Not exactly a fair comparison on many facets.
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Anybody can put my 10K TT on their forged car and make 900+ RWHP with the air filters on and drive the car 20,000-30,000 miles in a year for about 20K installed and tuned with AEM.
Which is it? $10k or $20k? I'm confused.. Last time I checked, AEM's were around $2,000. $3500 if you want the universal. Maybe the air filters are $3500 each?
Which is it? $10k or $20k? I'm confused.. Last time I checked, AEM's were around $2,000. $3500 if you want the universal. Maybe the air filters are $3500 each?
$10k is the turbo kit itself. The other $10k includes the AEM, fuel system upgrades, install, tuning, etc..
However, the original thread had this package at ~$15.5k.
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...for example, the VEC 3 comes with the $10K kit, and the "tuning" is including in the $4000 installation cost. Plus, the JM heads aren't anything he charges...it happend to be on the car. (IMO not need to make ~1200+rwhp). So you deduct the $1100, $500, and $6900 from your list and you have a $16.8K total cost for a 1200+RWHP system INSTALLED and TUNED* Pretty unbeatable by any other tuner performance to cost wise if you ask me... 
