So that settles it, a CPE TT car running the same boost and or power as Josh's car to see who comes out on top. If it's in NJ I'd love to come see it but of course it will never heppen like all the other keyboard races on here. I dont understand (within reasonable distances) whats so hard about lining the cars up and running them... oh wait yes I do... pride and ego's because no one wants to be the looser so lets keep it on the net.
You of all people have some fucking balls to say a word to anyone here about lining up and racing, who has the pride/ego, etc. When the only thing you ever run is your fucking mouth.
You want to talk about ego and pride, the one who got smacked down by P for making claims that you were some fundamental part of the operation? When in reality you didn't do shit but irritate people more than usual?
Not only are you not an owner, or even remotely close to being one, or have any working knowledge of anything involved, nobody even likes you. STFU once and for all. Or in the eloquent words of the man himself stop flapping your fucking cunt.
You're right I sure do, because threads like this are absolutely ridiculous... period. What a bunch of yabbering and for what? Nothing gets accomplished. When someone calls me out on something, regardless of what it is.. I answer it. As for the rest of your lame post, welcome back Rogue.
I agreed not to bring Joseph into my posting so on that I won't comment, however, you proved my point. Not 1 UGR customer with a broken snout. They must know something...
Josh - Thanks for that. Feel free to comment on my snout snapping, though. In fact, I will.
It snapped post DLM... doing what DLM said not to do!
Doug told me precisely "if you do what you are about to do, you will snap the snout off of the crank". And he was right! I didn't snap it as a paxton set-up... I snapped it with a procharger F-2 installed... 4 years after the paxton was installed and 3 months after the F2 was installed. And that was after an F1R was also used. The F1R and F2 with a 5.1:1 internal step ratio is just too darn much for the viper's crank. The paxton's internal step ratio is 3.4x or 3.5x (I truly forget as it has been a while) so it isn't as harsh on the crank.
I don't know how many ribs the pullies are on the paxton set-ups that most of y'all are using. mine was a 10-rib which also causes more strain than the 8 rib.
I'm staying out of this shitstorm as well but I'm more than happy to address what caused my snout to snap. that was 3 years ago... damn I'm getting old!
Josh - Thanks for that. Feel free to comment on my snout snapping, though. In fact, I will.
It snapped post DLM... doing what DLM said not to do!
Doug told me precisely "if you do what you are about to do, you will snap the snout off of the crank". And he was right! I didn't snap it as a paxton set-up... I snapped it with a procharger F-2 installed... 4 years after the paxton was installed and 3 months after the F2 was installed. And that was after an F1R was also used. The F1R and F2 with a 5.1:1 internal step ratio is just too darn much for the viper's crank. The paxton's internal step ratio is 3.4x or 3.5x (I truly forget as it has been a while) so it isn't as harsh on the crank.
I don't know how many ribs the pullies are on the paxton set-ups that most of y'all are using. mine was a 10-rib which also causes more strain than the 8 rib.
I'm staying out of this shitstorm as well but I'm more than happy to address what caused my snout to snap. that was 3 years ago... damn I'm getting old!
JD
Did you ever get any numbers with the procharger setup? Boost#'s too?
Yeah...the wannabe', I'm-gonna'-get-a-TT, CPE cheerleader with a stock B&W talking shit.
Do his car, and have it done and ready to race by late-March/early-April.
S.
To address something else, I got CPE the DEI deal because I considered him a friend and liked his idea's for the turbo systems he was doing after meeting him a few years ago. The impression was that I worked WITH, not FOR CPE Turbos to get the deal. When you call one company to sponsor another... you need to obviously have some affiliation with them or it doesn't work... not too hard to figure out. Being a people person and knowing how to properly communicate regardless of what's going on is also key. Everyone got up in arms because I answered Ed on that other thread when he called ME out the same thing. No one paid attention to what I said until he brought it up. So all I did was address what he said AND saluted him on his work for CPE to boot. Yet I'm treated like I speak against the camp for whatever reason and I need to keep my credibility... God comes first all this is second period.
Drama Alley continues.
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On your nut warmer Kevins ride? Ummm Yeah. In fact, giving it a golden shower would be a HUGE fucking understatement. More like ballgagging that faggot. Would you not agree?
I think there are is at least one thing everybody can agree on. If the ONLY question is which power adder has the most potential, I think we can all agree that a twin turbo system has more potential. But that's not really the question on the table.
The question on the table is: What do you get for $15,000?
CPE kit: base kit + VEC2 + install. No fuel system, no tuning. So what does that kit yield power wise? Who knows? Nobody has ever installed one without a fuel system or tuned one by themselves. But assuming they tried, you might get 800 rwhp on pump gas? 900 rwhp on race gas?
UGR blower kit: Paxton supercharger + AEM + full fuel system (including lines, injectors, rails, FPR, etc), + water/methanol + installation + tuning + warranty. What does that kit yield power wise? 900 rwhp on pump gas and the supplied water/meth.
Now, if you want to spend $30,000, you'd be foolish to piss it away on a blower car. But you can't compare a $30,000 built motor, Striker head, twin turbo build to Josh's bone stock bottom end, stock manifold, Fox Lake head blower car.
Actually, what did the CPE King Kong TT system make before the "fluke"? 1000 rwhp? And that was on race gas? What did it make on pump gas? 950 rwhp?
So basically, there is $15,000 more in that kit than Josh's and using pump gas, the numbers were about the same?
Using race gas, chucking the air filters and main caps be damned, it made about 300 rwhp more. But how many times would it do that? One more time? None, according to the owner.
And the best argument about the TT kit is, "well, it would make more power sooner on the street". So we're right back to where it all started.
Twin turbos with a basic tuning computer, no tuning, and no fuel system, out the door for $15k, making 800 rwhp on pump gas and maybe 900 rwhp on race gas.
or
Paxton with top of the line tuning computer, complete fuel system, water/meth, complete installation of all components, complete tuning of the system and a warranty, out the door for $15k, making 900 rwhp on pump gas and water/meth.
TT has more potential, but the fuel system is inferior (or non-existent), the engine management is inferior and it doesn't include any tuning or warranty.
I can certainly understand why someone might be inclined sacrifice some potential to have the best engine management, the best fuel system, in-house tuning and a warranty.
Just wanted to say congrats' on the result of all the hard work. I cannot believe the shitstorm over here on the alley, I thought supra formus was getting bad but holy crap what a bunch of babies over here!!
Anyways, system looks really sweet and I cannot wait to get a ride in the red car. I should be up there soon so get that bitch done!!!
I also wouldn't challenge Paulo so easily, I have been in the car with the guy!!!
Just wanted to say congrats' on the result of all the hard work. I cannot believe the shitstorm over here on the alley, I thought supra formus was getting bad but holy crap what a bunch of babies over here!!
Anyways, system looks really sweet and I cannot wait to get a ride in the red car. I should be up there soon so get that bitch done!!!
I also wouldn't challenge Paulo so easily, I have been in the car with the guy!!!
later
Great, were you busy brow beating his oscar meyer as well.
I think there are is at least one thing everybody can agree on. If the ONLY question is which power adder has the most potential, I think we can all agree that a twin turbo system has more potential. But that's not really the question on the table.
The question on the table is: What do you get for $15,000?
CPE kit: base kit + VEC2 + install. No fuel system, no tuning. So what does that kit yield power wise? Who knows? Nobody has ever installed one without a fuel system or tuned one by themselves. But assuming they tried, you might get 800 rwhp on pump gas? 900 rwhp on race gas?
UGR blower kit: Paxton supercharger + AEM + full fuel system (including lines, injectors, rails, FPR, etc), + water/methanol + installation + tuning + warranty. What does that kit yield power wise? 900 rwhp on pump gas and the supplied water/meth.
Now, if you want to spend $30,000, you'd be foolish to piss it away on a blower car. But you can't compare a $30,000 built motor, Striker head, twin turbo build to Josh's bone stock bottom end, stock manifold, Fox Lake head blower car.
Actually, what did the CPE King Kong TT system make before the "fluke"? 1000 rwhp? And that was on race gas? What did it make on pump gas? 950 rwhp?
So basically, there is $15,000 more in that kit than Josh's and using pump gas, the numbers were about the same?
Using race gas, chucking the air filters and main caps be damned, it made about 300 rwhp more. But how many times would it do that? One more time? None, according to the owner.
And the best argument about the TT kit is, "well, it would make more power sooner on the street". So we're right back to where it all started.
Twin turbos with a basic tuning computer, no tuning, and no fuel system, out the door for $15k, making 800 rwhp on pump gas and maybe 900 rwhp on race gas.
or
Paxton with top of the line tuning computer, complete fuel system, water/meth, complete installation of all components, complete tuning of the system and a warranty, out the door for $15k, making 900 rwhp on pump gas and water/meth.
TT has more potential, but the fuel system is inferior (or non-existent), the engine management is inferior and it doesn't include any tuning or warranty.
I can certainly understand why someone might be inclined sacrifice some potential to have the best engine management, the best fuel system, in-house tuning and a warranty.
Just saying.
Wow!, Did you forget that Josh had his((( heads))) built to make 915RWHP..So unless UGR did the heads for free,I'm sure it was more than 15K
to make ((915)).
But Josh will never tell how much he paid for the built heads.
Wow!, Did you forget that Josh had his((( heads))) built to make 915RWHP..So unless UGR did the heads for free,I'm sure it was more than 15K
to make ((915)).
But Josh will never tell how much he paid for the built heads.
J/K
