Who gives a shit if someone charge 1000% over their cost. If you are happy with the end product as a consumer and you were told UPFRONT what it would cost, why does it matter? You accepted the cost and the deal in front of you. There is a cost in customer service, which is the part of any markup in a business. Those that wine about kevin's margins, regardless of what they are, aren't buying things from him anyway. There are options out there for everyone. Most people that are buying TT vipers have enough crap going on in their life to where they don't want to worry about the car. They go to UG and say: I want this car, what will it cost. There is a big comfort in knowing that you'll get what you're promised, regardless of cost. As someone who put 45k into another tuner on a project and didn't get what they were promised, I put a big value in that. I've had a project for 2 years and put 8k miles on it. Most of it spend driving 500 miles each way to the tuner that f'ed me over.
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Well I can vouch for UGR saying they have always taken care of me. I just have one of there simple blower builds. I have not spent tons and tons of money to get the great customer service I have recieved.
Of course all business are out to make money. If you guys think they should do it for free then you are RETARDED. I also run a business, and do some performance motorcycle work. I tell people up front, I'm not cheap, I'm Good! But I stand behind my work just like UGR.
JID, pointed out them making money but everybody forgets as a Business Owner there are plenty of times you lose your A$$ on lil' stuff. Lets just say PL builds them a motor, UGR puts it in, installs a turbo kit, installs all the other lil' stuff, puts in on the dyno starts to tune it, and a rod bolt stretches or something little like that. Now the whole motor has to come back out and all the work has to be done again. Who pays for that......Kevin at UGR.
Its called the COST OF OPERATION. You take the GOOD with the BAD.
I wonder what the legal ramifications are when a firm accepts a block for work then waffles after sitting on it for some period of time? Especially when it is because they are being strongarmed by a third party.
You would start by looking at the contract that JID had with ProLine and then look at the UGR- Proline contract to see which one took priority. As JID didn't get his motor fixed for a month before it got booted back to him, you would then look for any breach of contract provisions in JID's contract with Proline. That would be a good start to determine the legal ramifications.
You would start by looking at the contract that JID had with ProLine and then look at the UGR- Proline contract to see which one took priority. As JID didn't get his motor fixed for a month before it got booted back to him, you would then look for any breach of contract provisions in JID's contract with Proline. That would be a good start to determine the legal ramifications.
Thank you Judge Judy. Now - at what level would the implied acceptance come in - the one that took place the moment Proline accepted the motor???????????
Then you could look at the enforceability of the document in question. Then there is lost usage while a motor is sitting there while the builder casually decided whether they will start the work they accepted or not?
I'm glad Joseph brought this up. Because now that he mentions it, I, along with everyone else on this board should be furious with Michael Valentine. That fucking nerd has the AUDACITY to refuse to outsource his Valentine 1 radar detector and let any other retailers sell it. I know god damn good and well that it doesn't cost him $399 to make that radar detector. He's a criminal. He should just tell me where he gets his parts from and who assembles those units for him so I can get my ONE radar detector made at cost. Fuck the fact that he buys parts by the thousands. The NERVE of that guy monopolizing the industry. Just because he designed, subcontracted and built the best unit on the market gives him NO RIGHT to be the exclusive distributor of it. And then, to top it all off, he wants to make a profit?
I should probably do some digging around and see if I can find any personal misconduct in his teenage years that I can PM to some of his friends. Maybe after I insult him personally, he'll see the error of his evil ways and let us all buy his products from his suppliers at cost.
The way it sound to me is UGR dictated to Proline that the only Viper engines that can be built in Proline's shop is the ones UGR delivers to them. No other outside work. If this is the case, UGR is dictating to Proline who they can accept as customers. That said, if true, is complete BS.
Mike first of all UR doesn't dictate who Proline can accept as customers, they have an exclusive on viper motors only. So how is that BS??????? Surely your smarter than that Mikey???? That's about as dumb a statement as I've heard you make.
I'm glad Joseph brought this up. Because now that he mentions it, I, along with everyone else on this board should be furious with Michael Valentine. That fucking nerd has the AUDACITY to refuse to outsource his Valentine 1 radar detector and let any other retailers sell it. I know god damn good and well that it doesn't cost him $399 to make that radar detector. He's a criminal. He should just tell me where he gets his parts from and who assembles those units for him so I can get my ONE radar detector made at cost. Fuck the fact that he buys parts by the thousands. The NERVE of that guy monopolizing the industry. Just because he designed, subcontracted and built the best unit on the market gives him NO RIGHT to be the exclusive distributor of it. And then, to top it all off, he wants to make a profit?
I should probably do some digging around and see if I can find any personal misconduct in his teenage years that I can PM to some of his friends. Maybe after I insult him personally, he'll see the error of his evil ways and let us all buy his products from his suppliers at cost.
I'm glad Joseph brought this up. Because now that he mentions it, I, along with everyone else on this board should be furious with Michael Valentine. That fucking nerd has the AUDACITY to refuse to outsource his Valentine 1 radar detector and let any other retailers sell it. I know god damn good and well that it doesn't cost him $399 to make that radar detector. He's a criminal. He should just tell me where he gets his parts from and who assembles those units for him so I can get my ONE radar detector made at cost. Fuck the fact that he buys parts by the thousands. The NERVE of that guy monopolizing the industry. Just because he designed, subcontracted and built the best unit on the market gives him NO RIGHT to be the exclusive distributor of it. And then, to top it all off, he wants to make a profit?
I should probably do some digging around and see if I can find any personal misconduct in his teenage years that I can PM to some of his friends. Maybe after I insult him personally, he'll see the error of his evil ways and let us all buy his products from his suppliers at cost.
Thank you Judge Judy. Now - at what level would the implied acceptance come in - the one that took place the moment Proline accepted the motor???????????
Then you could look at the enforceability of the document in question. Then there is lost usage while a motor is sitting there while the builder casually decided whether they will start the work they accepted or not?
Of course there would be implied acceptance, but this could be terminated by rejection. Don't know if there was any consideration given to make it an enforceable contract, nor of time limitations on the rejection, not enough facts presented to determine that, Mr. Mason.
I'm glad Joseph brought this up. Because now that he mentions it, I, along with everyone else on this board should be furious with Michael Valentine. That fucking nerd has the AUDACITY to refuse to outsource his Valentine 1 radar detector and let any other retailers sell it. I know god damn good and well that it doesn't cost him $399 to make that radar detector. He's a criminal. He should just tell me where he gets his parts from and who assembles those units for him so I can get my ONE radar detector made at cost. Fuck the fact that he buys parts by the thousands. The NERVE of that guy monopolizing the industry. Just because he designed, subcontracted and built the best unit on the market gives him NO RIGHT to be the exclusive distributor of it. And then, to top it all off, he wants to make a profit?
I should probably do some digging around and see if I can find any personal misconduct in his teenage years that I can PM to some of his friends. Maybe after I insult him personally, he'll see the error of his evil ways and let us all buy his products from his suppliers at cost.
That's a retarded analogy Bravo. Dude - it doesn't even come close.
Wow. That was a hell of an outstanding critique of my analogy. "Retarded. Not even close." You must have spent all night on that. Your insight is breathtaking. I'm simply amazed at your analysis. Oh wait, you didn't give any.
Riddle me this: If building motors is such a no-brainer, and it doesn't require any kind of expertise, then what difference does it make if Pro-Line rebuilds Joseph's busted piece of shit or Fred's machine shop does it?
Exclusive is exclusive. UGR has an arrangement that doesn't allow Pro-Line to outsource on Viper motors. That's pretty simple.
Valentine 1 doesn't let the customer walk into the electronics factory and buy the sensors, boards, chips, and cases for their radar detectors and assemble them at home. They buy the parts, they have them assembled and they market them...at a profit. Period.
If Pro-Line is willing to deal with UGR exclusively, then that's their business.
Joseph is butt hurt because he fucked up his motor AGAIN. He was hoping the guys at Pro-Line would help him out AGAIN. Unfortunately, because of an arms length agreement with a larger supplier, they can't or won't. So what? How does that make UGR a bad company? If Pro-Line was willing to accept the terms of the deal, then it must have made good business sense for both parties.
Real estate agents have "exclusive" listing agreements. Nobody else can sell your house while it's listed with them. And guess what? They charge you for it. Clothing manufacturers work out "exclusive" distributorships with department stores all the time so that there is only one place where you can buy their clothes. It's not like this is a new concept.
WAR I LOVE A MARKET DRIVEN ECONOMY UNLESS IT DOESN'T WORK OUT TO MY BENEFIT
Kevin I wouldn't let this crap bother you too much. The people who buy into the lies and decide to avoid your company are screwing themselves not you. Your long list of satisfied customers speaks much more credibly than those sniping from the outside.
I have no issue with somebody making a profit. It does seem that PL took in a motor, and then chose not to work on it after it sat for a period of time. That in itself, sucks for JID.
I have no issue with somebody making a profit. It does seem that PL took in a motor, and then chose not to work on it after it sat for a period of time. That in itself, sucks for JID.
It seems that is Joe Dells side of it. The other side was that PL believed it was a motor bought in for an approved customer when in fact they later found out it was not. That PERHAPS is the reason why the stall occured. I happen to believe that PL would have wanted that motor long gone when they decided to not work it and JID began crying like a baby to everyone who'd listen. This time the squeaky wheel didnt get oil, it got the BOOT.
whah whah whah. You known darn well that I wasn't involved in digging up your felony record. We've been through that about a million times. And I sure as hell didn't make you set anything on fire.
As for agreements, i don't want anything to do with you. And I never asked you for help on my motor. I don't want it and i sure dont' need it.
the competition is low and dirty. The way UGR likes it.
If you want nothing to do with me, then why the 'call me' and 'call me' bullshit? you could have left it alone, told PL that it was fine to do the basic machine work i'd asked for and not the shortblock assembly which is all I am having done. yet instead you walk into proline, storm around like a baby and cry at each of the shortblocks that you see that aren't yours.
Let's all watch Kevin's blood pressure rise when I say the letters C.P.E.
oh no!!!
competition!
you have been playing dirty since you were tinkering on mustangs and this is no different.
You deny that your price for a shortblock assembly is 13k + core when people ask you for them? you've got 'em in stock! We all know!!!
LOL!!!
Joe you were involved in the smearing of Kevin's name. You got the emails from Wendy Macedo and then passed them out to your friends. Palo then threatened Kevin with posting them. That's the bottom line and the truth. Do you remember sending me a PM a few years ago saying " I found out who Kevin uses to build his engines" and then saying "you were going to talk to them about doing some work for you" you were excited that they were in Atlanta so close to you. Kevin used them long before you came in contact with them. He also sends them lots of business. It was a GOOD business decision on his part. Why not find another engine builder and get your shit fixed??? You could get bigredsrt to help you out. Your post heading insinuates that UR built a bad car for you. You only did this to try and hurt their business. You know, you do break a lot of motors maybe Proline should reconsider.
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It seems that is Joe Dells side of it. The other side was that PL believed it was a motor bought in for an approved customer when in fact they later found out it was not. That PERHAPS is the reason why the stall occured. I happen to believe that PL would have wanted that motor long gone when they decided to not work it and JID began crying like a baby to everyone who'd listen. This time the squeaky wheel didnt get oil, it got the BOOT.
That is a FUCKING LIE josh!!! Is this from your source or you making it up. DAMMIT !!!! Quit posting about shit you know nothing about.
Also for any moron that thinks Josephs motor was/is broke..you are wrong. Stuff going to the machine shop does not mean it's broken. Jezzz people.
