Return line is -10 an to pump and -10 an from pump to oil pan.
Supply line is -4an all the way through.
Psi between turbo and .035 restrictor is 12 psi on a hot engine.
Pump inlet is about 1/2" below oil drain flange.
P.S. I take recomendations that pretty much everybody agrees on and apply it, double check and test it. Smaller then a .065 restrictor was recommended by the majority. As for the ones that are still in conflict with eachother. Dans auto and Davernf1 for example have different setups from eachother. I'll be using both of their methods and see what works and test it.
As for Dan's auto suggestion on check valves it appears to only apply on engine shutoff. Im having little bit of oil when pumps are connected when engine is on. So right now i would like to take care of all oil issues with engine on first before i start the test with engine off.
I don't fully understand or comprehend DavernF1 setup yet so i set him a private message on why the oil pan needs to be vented. Asked him a few questions first before I decide to start poking holes into my oil pan.
So to really break it down in a simple format I need to past 3 test for the green light.
1st test make sure no oil is bleeding out of exhaust with oil drain into bucket. (passed results)
2nd test. Make sure no oil is bleeding out of exhaust with oil lines connect to oil return pump (Currently trying to fix that issue).
3rd test. Make sure no oil bleeding out of exhaust after engine is shut off. (Haven't gotten that far but will more then likely take dans auto suggestion and run check valves)
I think DavernF1 might hold the key for me fixing the issues of my 2nd test since he states all the issues im having are related not to check valves but rather I need to run a baffle and vent oil pan.
Dave is not telling you to vent your oil pan, he is telling you to make two small oil collection points after the turbo exit and have those vented. The reason is that its possible you are having caviation issues with the pump. I dont have those as I use the lines out of each turbo as collection points with the check valve aft the turbo so the oil does not back up. Note if your lines travel uphill after the turbo and you dont have a check valve the oil in the lines between the pump and the turbo will flow back into the turbo.
All the reasons I gave you for putting the oil restritor right before the turbo are valid, can you provide one reason not to? As you admitted the oil pressure will vary, if it varys too much you may end up starving your turbo, You have no real world data logging, just you little pressure tests. If you get some pressure drop for what ever reason the turbos are going to suffer.
jesus, I already posted exactly why it is the wrong way pages ago.
Look at it this way, you have a garden hose with a nozzle on it. That nozzle makes a nice even spray pattern that causes the water to blanket a fairly large area and covers say a 20ft distance. Pretty simple concept right?
Ok now what happens if you take another 10ft of garden hose, and wedge it over the end of that nozzle with the water on. All of a sudden that nice big spray pattern is gone, the 20ft distance it covered is gone. And holding the end of this section of hose you're left with nothing but water dribbling out the end.
The way you did it isn't retaining the pressure up to the spray point, so all you did by putting the restrictor in that location was basically like turning the valve off 90% of the way so it just drips out.
Jesus, next you're going to tell me a 1" hose with a 1/2" dia restrictor and a 2" hose with a 1/2" dia restrictor will have the same fluid flow.
And no, the restriction flowing through the turbo is very very minimal by it's design. You aren't supposed to fill the center section with oil, just spray the shaft. If you are seeing pressure inside the center section, well you're more fucked than I first thought.
As I said, deep throat that 12g and step on the trigger.
jesus, I already posted exactly why it is the wrong way pages ago.
Look at it this way, you have a garden hose with a nozzle on it. That nozzle makes a nice even spray pattern that causes the water to blanket a fairly large area and covers say a 20ft distance. Pretty simple concept right?
Ok now what happens if you take another 10ft of garden hose, and wedge it over the end of that nozzle with the water on. All of a sudden that nice big spray pattern is gone, the 20ft distance it covered is gone. And holding the end of this section of hose you're left with nothing but water dribbling out the end.
The way you did it isn't retaining the pressure up to the spray point, so all you did by putting the restrictor in that location was basically like turning the valve off 90% of the way so it just drips out.
Jesus, next you're going to tell me a 1" hose with a 1/2" dia restrictor and a 2" hose with a 1/2" dia restrictor will have the same fluid flow.
And no, the restriction flowing through the turbo is very very minimal by it's design. You aren't supposed to fill the center section with oil, just spray the shaft. If you are seeing pressure inside the center section, well you're more fucked than I first thought.
As I said, deep throat that 12g and step on the trigger.
bhhahahahahahahaha. Your retarded ways of thinking just made my day. Dyam I got a good laugh at your intelligence.
Okay time to school your monkey ass. Sit down and pay attention class is in session.
Since when did turbos need a fine mist spray? Since when did it ever need a high velocity liquid flow? NEVER!!!!!!
Go ahead and talk with garrett they never mention anything about misting or needing high velocity of liquid flow or any fine mist device.
Think about it the majority of cars don't even need restrictors they use standard -4an lines and it pumps oil into the turbo quite fine. This examples blows your whole theory out of the water. You can't argue against that
Now the reason b/c of all this. Because all the turbo cares about is getting the correct amount of oil FLOW/ VOLUME!!! DING DING DING! And thats related to the amount of psi going through the lines.
Dave is not telling you to vent your oil pan, he is telling you to make two small oil collection points after the turbo exit and have those vented. The reason is that its possible you are having caviation issues with the pump. I dont have those as I use the lines out of each turbo as collection points with the check valve aft the turbo so the oil does not back up. Note if your lines travel uphill after the turbo and you dont have a check valve the oil in the lines between the pump and the turbo will flow back into the turbo.
All the reasons I gave you for putting the oil restritor right before the turbo are valid, can you provide one reason not to? As you admitted the oil pressure will vary, if it varys too much you may end up starving your turbo, You have no real world data logging, just you little pressure tests. If you get some pressure drop for what ever reason the turbos are going to suffer.
Hey Dan thanks for the explanation about the caviation issues. Im going to order those check valves to see if that helps my issue. If it still gots issue i'll build a small collection sump tank for the turbo drain.
bhhahahahahahahaha. Your retarded ways of thinking just made my day. Dyam I got a good laugh at your intelligence.
Okay time to school your monkey ass. Sit down and pay attention class is in session.
Since when did turbos need a fine mist spray? Since when did it ever need a high velocity liquid flow? NEVER!!!!!!
Go ahead and talk with garrett they never mention anything about misting or needing high velocity of liquid flow or any fine mist device.
Think about it the majority of cars don't even need restrictors they use standard -4an lines and it pumps oil into the turbo quite fine. This examples blows your whole theory out of the water. You can't argue against that
Now the reason b/c of all this. Because all the turbo cares about is getting the correct amount of oil FLOW/ VOLUME!!! DING DING DING! And thats related to the amount of psi going through the lines.
Class Dismissed!
DIPSHIT ANDY OF MAMMOTH PROPORTIONS. Riddle us this... If you know so much knowledge about building TT systems/design, why is the title of this thread "...... ....... ..... .....still got oil issues, help from gurus".
Tell us Andy, what is the solution to your problem then. OH FUCK, that's right, YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW!!! That's why your dumb ass started this thread
bhhahahahahahahaha. Your retarded ways of thinking just made my day. Dyam I got a good laugh at your intelligence.
Okay time to school your monkey ass. Sit down and pay attention class is in session.
Since when did turbos need a fine mist spray? Since when did it ever need a high velocity liquid flow? NEVER!!!!!!
Go ahead and talk with garrett they never mention anything about misting or needing high velocity of liquid flow or any fine mist device.
Think about it the majority of cars don't even need restrictors they use standard -4an lines and it pumps oil into the turbo quite fine. This examples blows your whole theory out of the water. You can't argue against that
Now the reason b/c of all this. Because all the turbo cares about is getting the correct amount of oil FLOW/ VOLUME!!! DING DING DING! And thats related to the amount of psi going through the lines.
Class Dismissed!
I vote to block this thread....
Can't wait for his "I blew the motor need help from the gurus" thread, though.
Wait, if i'm wrong and you know all the answers why did you start this thread?
Lets review.
Who has the car smoking like a freight train? uhh you.
Who is the one that clustrfucked their own car due to being an arrogant cunt and thinking you're always right. uhh you again.
Who still has a car that isn't running? hmm, I see a pattern forming here.
Go fuck yourself, time to lock this thread and wait for the aftermath of being left to your own devices.
bhahahahhahhaha. this is good stuff
Don't get mad b/c i cornered your ass and schooled you hardcore!
Whats funny is the pattern i see on this thread. After I schooleded somebody where they pretty much have to throw in the towl, they end retaliate back with foul language. Goes to show you their class and lack of intelligence.
I have to give it up to guys like Dan's Auto. A stand up guy, never resorts to any sort of foul language even when at times him and I may have slightly different opinions about things. Can hold an inteligent conversation or debate. Wish there was more guys like this on the Alley.
Don't get mad b/c i cornered your ass and schooled you hardcore!
Whats funny is the pattern i see on this thread. After I schooleded somebody where they pretty much have to throw in the towl, they end retaliate back with foul language. Goes to show you their class and lack of intelligence.
I have to give it up to guys like Dan's Auto. A stand up guy, never resorts to any sort of foul language even when at times him and I may have slightly different opinions about things. Can hold an inteligent conversation or debate. Wish there was more guys like this on the Alley.
Jesus, are you so immersed in your own bullshit you're actually starting to believe it?
You still can't get the car running right and you have the audacity to claim you have schooled anyone?
Your car is riddled with problems and hasn't moved under it's own power without emulating the exxon valdeez in months.
Mine and all the cars I have tuned/worked on have been flawless for years.
Yet I'm wrong, and in your convoluted delusions believe somehow there are no errors in your impeccably disastrous attempts at accomplishing, well, anything.
As I said before, how machiavellian of you.
PS. I can write like an overeducated prick too, you're just not worth the effort.
PS. I can write like an overeducated prick too, you're just not worth the effort.
bhahahhahhahah. LOL
Now your talking to me like your opinion counts, like you have more credentials then me. bhahahha. I've built over 40+ turbo kits along with tuning quite a few and now you think you have a higher authority over me ? That real rich.
Its hard for anyone to believe your opinion actually counts when your spraying off bullshit telling everybody how a turbo needs to be sprayed with a fine mist of that sweet liquid and that anything drippling on it is bad. bhahahaahhahahahahahahaha.
Any retard knows that there is no "SPRAY" or Misting action going on feeding the turbo. Just pure oil volume passing thru it. Quite obvious if you have to build enough psi to feed the turbo sufficiently.
. Lets see that overeducated prick side of you b/c I just schooled your ass back to elementry school cuz your ass needs to know the basics SON!!!!!!!
And no, the restriction flowing through the turbo is very very minimal by it's design. You aren't supposed to fill the center section with oil, just spray the shaft. If you are seeing pressure inside the center section, well you're more fucked than I first thought.
That's why your dumb ass started this thread
