And you're right back where you started, refusing to listen to people telling you the RIGHT way to set this up.
You have never schooled anyone, hell you can't even manage to get a little bit of oil from one spot to another in the proper fashion. Beyond that I guess you lack in the basics of reading comprehension where you missed the part that I said it DOES matter where you put the restrictor.
Enjoy blowing those turbos up again.
Too stupid to properly design something to get around these issues, and even too stupid to listen when people tell you step by step how to fix the problem.
And you're right back where you started, refusing to listen to people telling you the RIGHT way to set this up.
You have never schooled anyone, hell you can't even manage to get a little bit of oil from one spot to another in the proper fashion. Beyond that I guess you lack in the basics of reading comprehension where you missed the part that I said it DOES matter where you put the restrictor.
Enjoy blowing those turbos up again.
Too stupid to properly design something to get around these issues, and even too stupid to listen when people tell you step by step how to fix the problem.
Save the bandwidth and go deep throat a 12g.
I read you correctly. I said it DOES NOT matter where the restrictor is. You said it does matter.
I've already school your ass once so dont' make me school your ass again.
I've told you good reasons why it does not matter where the restrictor is b/c oil pressure into the turbo is all that matters.
Lets hear your reason why it does matter where you put the restrictor. Tell me exactly what changes and why putting it at the Tee fittign is so bad. lets see how smart you really are or do you want to keep making blank statements with nothing to back it up.
You see son i've tested my shit out with a pressure guage and with solid facts, so you can't be the facts I have.
P.S. As for my 1st pair of turbos i've inspected them and there was no damage done. The problem has always been with the .065 restrictor causing oil smoking up.
I read you correctly. I said it DOES NOT matter where the restrictor is. You said it does matter.
I've already school your ass once so dont' make me school your ass again.
I've told you good reasons why it does not matter where the restrictor is b/c oil pressure into the turbo is all that matters.
Lets hear your reason why it does matter where you put the restrictor. Tell me exactly what changes and why putting it at the Tee fittign is so bad. lets see how smart you really are or do you want to keep making blank statements with nothing to back it up.
You see son i've tested my shit out with a pressure guage and with solid facts, so you can't be the facts I have.
P.S. As for my 1st pair of turbos i've inspected them and there was no damage done. The problem has always been with the .065 restrictor causing oil smoking up.
Funniest part of this thread is you clearly ask for help from the Turbo Guru's and now that your getting it your still being an ignorant cock smooching penis puller. If you knew who exactly douche.......... was you would be thanking him for his advice with your notebook open and pen in hand rather than practice preaching for the arrogant fuckface of the year award.
Anyone else in this thread that gives this shitbag Andy advice is getting -17. Fuck off Andy.
Dude,
How can you not understand flow and pressure? They are two different things that you need to read about before saying it does not matter where you put a restrictor. Does a restrictor impead flow or pressure? Figure that out and you may answer your own question.
Dude,
How can you not understand flow and pressure? They are two different things that you need to read about before saying it does not matter where you put a restrictor. Does a restrictor impead flow or pressure? Figure that out and you may answer your own question.
You could really fuck up a one man parade.
-Tim
What you talking about? I've done my math and homework and tested it out. I got the working results I needed that works. I chose the right size orfice restrictor and got the right amount of flow.
To answer your stupid question a restrictor limits oil flow.
Ya and im gonna proudly say it again to get it through your thick skull of yours as well as douchebaggery. It doesn't matter where you put the restrictor, what matters is chosing the right size orfice for your setup and figure out what oil pressure your getting between restrictor and turbo. Ideally has to be around 10-20 psi at idle and no higher then 35 psi at wide open throttle.
If your still having a hard time understanding what im saying go to mcmaster.com and seach for orfice. They have each restrictor fitting of various sized rated by the amount of liquid flow (gpm) at 40 psi.
And to really drive my point home the people at garrett never discuss placement of oil restrictors b/c it just whatever. The disucss the turbo limits of oil pressure going into the turbo and when a restrictor is required. They state anything over 40 psi needs a restrictor.
Andy,
A thick skull, yes I have one. However, I also sit in an engineering office of one of the biggest machine manufacturing companies. I am sorry, but you are just not getting the physics behind this flow/pressure deal. As you have been told before "study Fluid Dynamics", or give the two restrictor deal a try. If you understood as much as you think you do, you would not be having these "Rookie" problems.
-Tim
Last edited by sr20ser : January 9th, 2008 at 10:52 PM.
Reason: Spell checker schooled me
Andy,
A thick skull, yes I have one. However, I also sit in an engineering office of one of the biggest machine manufacturing companies. I am sorry, but you are just not getting the physics behind this flow/pressure deal. As you have been told before "study Fluid Dynamics", or give the two restrictor deal a try. If you understood as much as you think you do, you would not be having these "Rookie" problems.
-Tim
ummmm yaaa rigggghhh. I no longer have any problems with the oil feed.
You gonna be making more statements of how smart you are just like douchebaggery?
Why don't you explain why a tee fitting at the sender unit won't work at all. Oh wait b/c its easier ot say how smart you rather then prove it with some reasoning or facts.
I've already proved an oil restrictor at the oil sender unit works yet nobody here has clearly explained why it wouldnt' work.
Here you go: Think of that oil feed line you have going on in terms of a car wash hose. Think of the restrictor as the nozzle.
Pressure will raise as the size of the orifice that fluid goes through gets smaller. The volume of flow may be the same, but pressure goes up. Your Mcmaster charts state that @ 40 psi of feed pressure, xxx gpm will flow through the orifice. Pressure will be affected.
-Tim
Here you go: Think of that oil feed line you have going on in terms of a car wash hose. Think of the restrictor as the nozzle.
Pressure will raise as the size of the orifice that fluid goes through gets smaller. The volume of flow may be the same, but pressure goes up. Your Mcmaster charts state that @ 40 psi of feed pressure, xxx gpm will flow through the orifice. Pressure will be affected.
-Tim
Bhahahha. Sorry about that. Your intelligence amuses me.
Okay now apply it to the oil feed lines now YOu state pressure will raise? Are you stating pressure before the restrictor will raise with a smaller orfice?
Since when did we ever care about the oil pressure before the restrictor?
Whats important is pressure between the restrictor and turbo. If you really think hard about it, the turbocharger itself restricts flow therefore the reason why you get pressure buildup between the restrictor and turbo.
Andy,
It is really simple... Just read up on flow characteristics and you will get what we are all saying.
I still dont' know what your trying to say. Are you trying to say pressure will change due to the locatoin of the restrictor? If so then ya tell me something I don't know.
whatever the pressure it may be or whever you put the restrictor always check to see if the pressure is within the range of what the turbo operates.
You and douchebaggery both failed to prove or explain why a restrictor at the tee fitting wouldn't work.
Sorry but Im just gonna have to beat it down to your guys head till you get my point
[quote=Andy@TmaTurbo.com;959382]I still dont' know what your trying to say. Are you trying to say pressure will change due to the locatoin of the restrictor? If so then ya tell me something I don't know.
whatever the pressure it may be or whever you put the restrictor always check to see if the pressure is within the range of what the turbo operates.
Yep oil pressure will not be the same at the turbo if you put the restrictor right before vs before the t, you have much more control if you put it right at the turbo. Note the oil pressure will vary with temp, engine rpm, breakdown of the oil, differnat lenghts of line to the turbos, ect... By putting it right at the turbo you eliminate any variability. Your set up may work now, but who knows down the road. All we are saying is that the tried and tested method is to put it at the turbo. Nothing wrong to experiment, but why reinvent the wheel for no purpose other that to be differant, you not saving any money doing it this way, its not any easier, and you get no hp gain.
Yep oil pressure will not be the same at the turbo if you put the restrictor right before vs before the t, you have much more control if you put it right at the turbo. Note the oil pressure will vary with temp, engine rpm, breakdown of the oil, differnat lenghts of line to the turbos, ect... By putting it right at the turbo you eliminate any variability. Your set up may work now, but who knows down the road. All we are saying is that the tried and tested method is to put it at the turbo. Nothing wrong to experiment, but why reinvent the wheel for no purpose other that to be differant, you not saving any money doing it this way, its not any easier, and you get no hp gain.
The ONLY variable your stating that correlates with placement of restrictor would be the length of the lines. This is not even worth mentioning. Even if there is a little bit of fluctuation due to the longer lines its not gonna be enough to make and break a turbo if you know what your doing in the first place.
down the road? Thats purely skeptism and looking at the extreme of things. Again a couple psi off ain't gonna break anything if your already in the ball park. Their is a much bigger variables to consider and thats choosing the right orfice size restirctor for ones setup. We know a simple change in an orfice restrictor size can heavly change the pressure and oil flow, much more then what an extra 3 feet of unrecorded oil feed lines would.
Catch my drift?
The other variables you mentioned corrleates with both restrictor placement setups.. Oil temperature I know first hand heavily affects oil pressure. With the .035 orfice restrictor it was at 20 psi on a cold engine start up. After the engine warmed up it was at 12 psi of oil pressure after the restrictor at idle. Good thing I used a oil guage and took note of this and recorded this down. My testings are farily accurate. Majority of people wont' even go this far by testing everything in detail. I have a much better scope of things of whats going on due to my testings.
Anyways lets just drop this oil restrictor placement issue. Im way to smart to be contemplating over something so simple.
The ONLY variable your stating that correlates with placement of restrictor would be the length of the lines. This is not even worth mentioning. Even if there is a little bit of fluctuation due to the longer lines its not gonna be enough to make and break a turbo if you know what your doing in the first place.
down the road? Thats purely skeptism and looking at the extreme of things. Again a couple psi off ain't gonna break anything if your already in the ball park. Their is a much bigger variable to consider and thats choosing the right orfice size for ones setup. We know a simple change in an orfice restrictor size can heavly change the pressure and oil flow.
Catch my drift?
The other variables you mentioned corrleates with both restrictor placement. Oil temperature I know first hand heavily affects oil pressure. With the .035 orfice restrictor it was at 20 psi on a cold engine start up. After the engine warmed up it was at 12 psi of oil pressure after the restrictor at idle.
Anyways lets just drop this oil restrictor placement issue. Im way to smart to be contemplating something so simple.
lmao. your the one halfassing it all.
important part in bold. you sir, do not know what your doing.
ya very basic buddy cuz i dont' know what the fuck of a point your trying to make or apply this concept to
plz just fold your tail and walk away. If you gonna try to make a point it better be good b/c if not im gonna have to charge you to school your ass.
keeep on schooling. if you dont see how it works here, then YOU need to read up on google.
or wait for pfr to draw you another picture. im to lazy.
btw, why do you take some recomendations, use them, and they work, then throw the other ones away? damn. wish i was that smart.
btw,
what size return, and supply lines? and what PSI is it before the turbo? how far below the turbo is the pump?
Return line is -10 an to pump and -10 an from pump to oil pan.
Supply line is -4an all the way through.
Psi between turbo and .035 restrictor is 12 psi on a hot engine.
Pump inlet is about 1/2" below oil drain flange.
P.S. I take recomendations that pretty much everybody agrees on and apply it, double check and test it. Smaller then a .065 restrictor was recommended by the majority. As for the ones that are still in conflict with eachother. Dans auto and Davernf1 for example have different setups from eachother. I'll be using both of their methods and see what works and test it.
As for Dan's auto suggestion on check valves it appears to only apply on engine shutoff. Im having little bit of oil when pumps are connected when engine is on. So right now i would like to take care of all oil issues with engine on first before i start the test with engine off.
I don't fully understand or comprehend DavernF1 setup yet so i set him a private message on why the oil pan needs to be vented. Asked him a few questions first before I decide to start poking holes into my oil pan.
So to really break it down in a simple format I need to past 3 test for the green light.
1st test make sure no oil is bleeding out of exhaust with oil drain into bucket. (passed results)
2nd test. Make sure no oil is bleeding out of exhaust with oil lines connect to oil return pump (Currently trying to fix that issue).
3rd test. Make sure no oil bleeding out of exhaust after engine is shut off. (Haven't gotten that far but will more then likely take dans auto suggestion and run check valves)
I think DavernF1 might hold the key for me fixing the issues of my 2nd test since he states all the issues im having are related not to check valves but rather I need to run a baffle and vent oil pan.
YOu state pressure will raise? Are you stating pressure before the restrictor will raise with a smaller orfice?
