Your opinions on most reliable GEN II turbo/supercharger setups.
With several different companies and setups represented here, I am curious as to any and all opinions on which setup is most reliable for a daily or at least weekly driven Gen II to put down at or around 750-900hp.
No doubt there are some biased company opinions but I want those too.
I am not concerned with "hp vs streetability" so to speak, so if you have any opinion there, you are in the wrong thread and wrong board.
Argue supercharger vs turbo, price, maintenance/ availability, etc... Also would like roots vs centrifugal argued...
With several different companies and setups represented here, I am curious as to any and all opinions on which setup is most reliable for a daily or at least weekly driven Gen II to put down at or around 750-900hp.
No doubt there are some biased company opinions but I want those too.
I am not concerned with "hp vs streetability" so to speak, so if you have any opinion there, you are in the wrong thread and wrong board.
Argue supercharger vs turbo, price, maintenance/ availability, etc... Also would like roots vs centrifugal argued...
Didn't know anyone made a roots for one.
You know...there is a shit load of info/posts etc already up if you search for it....arguments, fist fights etc. So don't expect everyone to all excited over your poll.
My mistake on the roots type, I was referring to the Roe.
But yeah, Ive read near everything around here for several years. Im just curious the most reliable setup for wear and tear on a car that would be driven a few hundred miles a week.
I just want some shout outs concerning peoples experience and satisfaction levels with various setups.
With several different companies and setups represented here, I am curious as to any and all opinions on which setup is most reliable for a daily or at least weekly driven Gen II to put down at or around 750-900hp.
No doubt there are some biased company opinions but I want those too.
I am not concerned with "hp vs streetability" so to speak, so if you have any opinion there, you are in the wrong thread and wrong board.
Argue supercharger vs turbo, price, maintenance/ availability, etc... Also would like roots vs centrifugal argued...
Here is a picture of the setup I prefer for a car to be driven several hundred miles per week with side mounted intercoolers behind the foglights allowing full airflow through the oil cooler and radiator.
For forced induction air-air intercooling is the way to go for the ability to make pull after after pull without heatsoaking the charge needing minimal time to dissipate heat build-up.
The twin screw does not have an intercooler and centrifugal Paxton comes with air-water.
Last edited by Paolo Castellano : December 20th, 2007 at 07:27 AM.
I have the CPE TT side mount with about 2,300 miles on it so far, since Nov 3rd. The car is boosted/driven daily and is very reliable, 01 cast car 750/800. I wouldn’t hesitate to drive it across the map. For my driving style it’s the perfect setup, a lady at low rpm’s and a freight train under boost! Good luck and make sure you take a ride in a TT before you decide which way to go.
Both are quite capable for daily driving duty.
If above 1000rwhp is your ideal Viper. You have only one choice. TT. Don't for a second believe that a 1000+ RWHP anything isn't going to need some added maintenance over a more tame setup though. Especially if you race the car.
Last edited by v10kingsnake : December 20th, 2007 at 10:55 AM.
Methanol injection used properly can basicly rid a forced induction vehicle of heatsoak concerns as well. This is regardless of which intercooler you go with.
who road race there TT viper? How is it? I'm can't wait for 08 track events. I konw sean roe drove the shit out of his blower car and seems to work fine at the tracks. Well, 800rwhp is not enough for me so blower was out of the question.
Both are quite capable for daily driving duty.
If above 1000rwhp is your ideal Viper. You have only one choice. TT. Don't for a second believe that a 1000+ RWHP anything isn't going to need some added maintenance over a more tame setup though. Especially if you race the car.
It will be driven several times a week everything from highway, around town, maybe even an occasional drive-through for food, so Im definately concerned about heat. All driving will be in the southwest (70s-90s and some 100s different parts of the year usually). As far as racing, maybe a few times a year at the track at best and probably at least a weekly roll-on pull or two
When the time comes Im honestly most likely going to go with a turbo setup for several obvious reasons, not to mention, its a good starting point where I wont necissarily have to rip everything out and start all over when I eventually want more power.
I want maintenance to be minimal and being that Im NOT going to build up anything internal, (at least not as long as I dont break anything) I want something thats going to give me that minimum wear and tear, and be reliable on a good tune... What kind of miles are you all putting on your cars?
puma, that is a bit mis leading. A blower is not A LOT less expensive when you take into consideration all you need to actually make any sort of power (unless you are tony a). Fuel system, headers, exhaust, etc etc. With a turbo system, almost everything is included in the kit. The thing about the blowers is there are a lot of little nit pick parts that add up really fast to actually see the best result. For instance with my kenne bell blown cobra (same blower as roe) I had to get a new heat exchanger because it ran REALLY hot after a few pulls, a fuel system, headers and full exhaust. Before you know it, you have $3000 here and $2000 there, $750 here and this there... the small stuff adds up big time.
Yes the supercharger is less, but there are other parts that you need to get with it as well, and it wont make the power turbos will.
The worst thing you can do is buy a blower and get all the little parts and spend the money just to realize that its not enough and de-mod the car, lose money on the supercharger system and then spend the money on turbos.
v10, I hope this isnt you buddy, I know how addictive power can be and more times than not, you will get used to the power and want more and more and more and more and that is where the superchargers are limited.
just my .02 as I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on "more upgrades" because the power was never enough.
My advise is to get a long term goal and to slowly build it.
puma, that is a bit mis leading. A blower is not A LOT less expensive when you take into consideration all you need to actually make any sort of power (unless you are tony a). Fuel system, headers, exhaust, etc etc. With a turbo system, almost everything is included in the kit. The thing about the blowers is there are a lot of little nit pick parts that add up really fast to actually see the best result. For instance with my kenne bell blown cobra (same blower as roe) I had to get a new heat exchanger because it ran REALLY hot after a few pulls, a fuel system, headers and full exhaust. Before you know it, you have $3000 here and $2000 there, $750 here and this there... the small stuff adds up big time.
Yes the supercharger is less, but there are other parts that you need to get with it as well, and it wont make the power turbos will.
The worst thing you can do is buy a blower and get all the little parts and spend the money just to realize that its not enough and de-mod the car, lose money on the supercharger system and then spend the money on turbos.
well a roe supercharger comes fully equiped at 7300 add 400 for water/meth and you have a 600whp car, all you need is an exhaust which you would have needed anyway with the turbo kit.
How much is a turbo system when everything is done, 30k?
This is why i also said if you are looking for big hp, go turbo, i know the supercharger is limited. If you compare a roe setup of 600whp to a turbo system of 800whp, the turbo system is going to cost a lot more. It all depends on if you have enough of 600whp.
I agree the Paxton setup with a fuel system, aem, etc, isn't that less than a turbo system. But the Roe is a lot cheaper.
The worst thing you can do is buy a blower and get all the little parts and spend the money just to realize that its not enough and de-mod the car, lose money on the supercharger system and then spend the money on turbos.
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My advise is to get a long term goal and to slowly build it.
Yeah thats kind of what I was saying in my previous post. I can foresee it coming to a point where I rip everything off and start fresh on the turbo side. I would rather set myself up with a mild turbo system that can easily be turned up.
As far as the long term goal, I have considered that too, but by the time I get everything compiled... well, just... I dont see myself letting things stack up. Im a pretty patient guy but not THAT patient.
well a roe supercharger comes fully equiped at 7300 add 400 for water/meth and you have a 600whp car, all you need is an exhaust which you would have needed anyway with the turbo kit.
How much is a turbo system when everything is done, 30k?
This is why i also said if you are looking for big hp, go turbo, i know the supercharger is limited. If you compare a roe setup of 600whp to a turbo system of 800whp, the turbo system is going to cost a lot more. It all depends on if you have enough of 600whp.
I agree the Paxton setup with a fuel system, aem, etc, isn't that less than a turbo system. But the Roe is a lot cheaper.
cpe's sidemount system is WAY less than 30k installed. Give Paolo a call. 1200rwhp should be just plenty for the average joe. That system has proven to make 800-900rwhp on a stock motord car with the STOCK exhaust. With a sc, you need to BUY headers. With the turbo system, headers are included in the price. Yeah 600rwhp is cheeper, but when you want 800rwhp, it becomes WAY more expensive because you have to either add n20 or go internal to the motor (heads/cam) etc and you still wont be making 800rwhp and using more boost to get less power.
turbos are the way to go if you EVER plan on making more than 700rwhp. (paxton can but it will be limited around 1000rwhp and cost the SAME as turbos)
Last edited by 00SVTdubs : December 31st, 2007 at 01:50 PM.
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