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The Final Chapter for the TMA twin turbo liquid Venom Kit
Old December 5th, 2007, 08:45 PM   #1
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The Final Chapter for the TMA twin turbo liquid Venom Kit

Okay for those that were interested in my project. Here is the current updates.

Basically I burnt the turbos and oil is bleeding out of the exhaust. I tapped the oil feed soucce into the wrong area basically the low pressure side of the oil filter housing and starved the turbos of oil for a good 3 minute run time. Now its bleeding oil out of the exhaust. I took out the exhaust pipe used a .030 restrictor at the Tee fitting and had the oil drain into the bucket to test it. I can visually see oil bleeding out of the turbos so i know the turbos are bad now.

I did manage to find the right oil source location. Used a Tee at the oil pressure sensor. Started it up the first attempt and it sounded mean. But it was already to late the turbos were fried.

So basically im throwing in the towl. Can't afford to complete the project but was very close. I give props to all the dodge turbo viper fabriactors out there like CPE, Underground racing, Heffner, etc... Building Kits is hard work and not easy. Sorry if i might of pissed some of you guys off in the begining.

Well Here is some last few pics I took of my kit right before the tear down.

I've lowered the selling price of my kit to $6985 complete for anyone that is interested and willing to complete the project for me. It will include fresh new turbos T4 57 trim or PT61 turbos or for a slight upgrade cost I can include some PT67 turbos. The Kit will also include an afco heat exchanger, water pump and resovior to complete the kit which is not pictured. If not i'll just wait it out till after college to finish it up and spend an extra $1600 bucks on some PT67 E cover.

Alright so here are the pics for the turbo viper database.





Dual Tial 50mm BOV placed before intercooler

Dual Water to Air intercooler



Dual Shurflow Pumps and airfilter shot


More pics and information are avialable on my site. Untitled Document
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Sorry to hear this Andy. Shame you didn't have JID on hand for the tuning. That way you could have blown the motor along with those turbos.










Hey Joe, word is your motor is feeling a little "empty".
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Last I heard, it was Joseph's car and he can do whatever he damn well pleases. Also, last I heard, he was the only person who successfully has installed his own turbo system, assembled his own motor, and tuned his car to nearly 1600 RWHP. Whether he can drive the beast or not, he deserves quite a bit of respect and admiration. What have you done to your car lately? At least Andy actually tried....probably got a lot further than you would have, Josh.
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Sorry to hear this Andy. Shame you didn't have JID on hand for the tuning. That way you could have blown the motor along with those turbos.










Hey Joe, word is your motor is feeling a little "empty".

Josh, you asked me yesterday about Joseph's car and I told you the truth, that the ring seal had gone away. Nothing blew up. Not the machine shops fualt. Not Josephs fault. An engine that makes over 1500 to the tires needs to be freshened more often. Don't try to make any more of it than it is.

If you are going to twist what I say then I won't answer any more questions. Your choice.

As PFR pointed out, Joseph has done a lot on his own. Not many Viper owners have the mechanical abilities he does.

I don't want to get caught up in any vendetta. When you called yesterday I thought your intentions were friendly. I didn't realize you were wanting ammo to use against Joseph. I'm not going to be involved in that. Go back to picking on me about my heads and Ill be happier.

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So basically, you started out with a "one Month" project if I recall correctly, that took almost 8 months to learn that, creating a TT setup for a Viper is NOT a $10k deal.

I give you credit for trying that's for sure!
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Okay for those that were interested in my project. Here is the current updates.

Basically I burnt the turbos and oil is bleeding out of the exhaust. I tapped the oil feed soucce into the wrong area basically the low pressure side of the oil filter housing and starved the turbos of oil for a good 3 minute run time. Now its bleeding oil out of the exhaust. I took out the exhaust pipe used a .030 restrictor at the Tee fitting and had the oil drain into the bucket to test it. I can visually see oil bleeding out of the turbos so i know the turbos are bad now.

I did manage to find the right oil source location. Used a Tee at the oil pressure sensor. Started it up the first attempt and it sounded mean. But it was already to late the turbos were fried.

So basically im throwing in the towl. Can't afford to complete the project but was very close. I give props to all the dodge turbo viper fabriactors out there like CPE, Underground racing, Heffner, etc... Building Kits is hard work and not easy. Sorry if i might of pissed some of you guys off in the begining.

Well Here is some last few pics I took of my kit right before the tear down.

I've lowered the selling price of my kit to $6985 complete for anyone that is interested and willing to complete the project for me. It will include fresh new turbos T4 57 trim or PT61 turbos or for a slight upgrade cost I can include some PT67 turbos. The Kit will also include an afco heat exchanger, water pump and resovior to complete the kit which is not pictured. If not i'll just wait it out till after college to finish it up and spend an extra $1600 bucks on some PT67 E cover.

Alright so here are the pics for the turbo viper database.





Dual Tial 50mm BOV placed before intercooler

Dual Water to Air intercooler



Dual Shurflow Pumps and airfilter shot


More pics and information are avialable on my site. Untitled Document
Got to give you props for coming back on here after all the heat and admiting failure. There is a reason that stuff costs so much. Good decision on focusing on college.
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Yes I have thought about getting the rebuild kits. I'll have to tear it down and inspect the turbine wheel shaft. If the wheel shaft is burnt then its gonna require a new turbine wheel shaft. At that point I just might as well get a new turbo T4 57 trim since it only cost me $550 for one. A turbine wheel shaft is not cheap plus it would require rebalance. If its just the bearings then the bearings are pretty cheap and a rebuild kit would be on order.


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Sorry to hear this Andy. Shame you didn't have JID on hand for the tuning. That way you could have blown the motor along with those turbos.
So let me get this right... you called Greg to ask him why I wasn't going to bradenton? I'm flattered that you'd call someone to try to figure it out. But I already told you. Publicly. It is because of assholes like you that i'd rather spend my time on other things.

The car is quite solid. On low boost it dynoed at 1350 at the tires... up 200rwhp from where it did the same boost level previously. and the dyno curve is SICK compared to the old one!

But at the dyno, I had an epiphany: I just don't care. About you. Or your kind. Or your nut-swinging. Or your negativity in the world. I'd rather not be around people like you. Period. Which is why I haven't been on the board as of late. And won't be either.

You see, you have nothing of value to contribute to the community.

I took a couple of minutes to read some of your posts and they are all the same!

Do you have a job? Or is all that you do sit around all day waiting for people to post on the internet so you can call them assholes or berate them or tell them that they are a fraud or jump all over them.

You are worse than a politician in that you have nothing to do but to flap your yap all day long to anyone who will listen.

You see, when you are done sucking on the nuts of your favorite tuner of the week you'll realize that they don't care about you either. You are a dollar-sign. and that's it. There are good customers that make a vendor look good, and there are bad ones. You aren't a good one. UGR has lots of good ones, but you just make them look bad. And everything that you are around.

In fact, it offends quite a few people that you waste our perfectly good air. breathing.

Sadly, people like you often commit suicide. I don't wish that fate on anyone... but as the bible often says, there is a natural balance in life.

If you think that UGR/Heffner/DLM/CPE/SVS/Hennessy magically pushed the limits of their motor and never broke anything you are off your rocker. Spun bearings happen. Broken transmissions happen. Spinning main caps happens. diffs... half-shafts, etc... You race, you break. period. It does not matter who you are. No one is immune. While some tuners are more willing to push the envelope, others are more afraid that people will know that they broke something.

oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! someone broke something! unbelievable!

But I know something you don't know.

When I break something, I know how to fix it all myself. And if I don't know, I learn.

I wouldn't trust you to change the oil on a car let alone do anything to the motor.

But let's see... I can tare a viper motor down to the pistons in under 3 hours and be reassembled and running in under 5 hrs. So pulling the heads to inspect a cylinder that I suspected was running lean is really no issue for me. If something is broken, i fix it. Big frikkin' deal. In this case, it's fixed. Summit racing is open 9-9 and is 30 min from where I live. Piston rings are cheap enough. One wasn't sealing as well as I'd have liked. Slight detonation over a long period of time will do that. I bet you didn't know that cylinder #2 will run leaner than the rest of them under hard acceleration due to the manifold design of the viper and the fuel distribution properties of the mixture. details. But my correction factor is now better than it was. Since it's winter time I may do more mods to the car. but i'm not in a rush at all. I have all winter.

But here's the thing: your obsession with men combined with your perpetual need to bash people on the internet only gives the rest of the world a chance to look at you for your true colors: a waste of flesh and blood. Truly a waste. As in 'I hope you find god soon' waste because you probably lead a pretty miserable life right now.

I won't be at racing events with/near you (ever) because I'd rather rent a track with a couple of friends and have a good time than have to sense your foul attitude and holier-than-thou view of the world. I've never posted a time-slip nor a video. Not my style. Nor will I. Not because I have anything to hide but because I won't give you the pleasure of casting your negativity on my work (and even accomplishments). [I made that mistake one... I gave _anyone_ who asked my AEM logs for some tuning and people turned it around on me. ]

Yet I've done (and continue to do) everything on my own.

Including earn the $$$ to bankroll whatever the heck I want to do.

It's a hobby. Which I enjoy. I do it for me and not for you. I volunteer my time to help other viper owners... but not the ungrateful such as yourself.

I don't pay other people to do all the R&D... I collaborate or do it myself.

I've done sh*t to viper motors that has never been done before. Or will be done again in some cases!

Which means I have the right to tell you to fuck off... Like most of the people on the alley want to do but which few will because they don't want to waste their energy on you.

I'm only wasting it tonight because like many, i'm tired of your shit. You got something to say, stop on down in Atlanta and we'll take it outside where I can show you what a fast car is. And then when I'm done with you, you can change your underwear and go back to whatever bashing you were going to do. Either that or you can mouth off to me in person where I can give you the proper southern response. But if you got the balls to see me face-to-face, let's do it. Otherwise, take your thumb out of your ass, put it in your mouth, and shut the fuck up.

Now as for Andy's work: I commend his efforts. I am certain he's forgotten more about viper engines than you'll ever learn.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you Andy.

Now back to business: I only hope you'll take me up on the offer and stop by my place this week on your way down. I'm golfing on Friday, though, and helping another viper owner in the afternoon tune a SC car. But I'll make the time to take you for a ride if you want. As long as it doesn't interrupt the golf round. If you are as much of an asshole in person, though, I'll probably leave you on the side of the interstate somewhere. But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on your net-persona being far worse than your real-life persona.

As I type that, it's a stretch, actually. 50/50 on whether you get left on the side of the road. More like 60/40 the more I think about it. But I can settle on 60/40.

Oh... and for the record: I can out-tune just about anyone. You'll sling mud at that comment b/c I've broken by own sh*t but most of you fuckers can't even figure out how to get a car to not spin on the dyno 1200+ or 1400rwhp! Any tuner who hasn't pushed the limits isn't really a tuner b/c they don't know what the limits are. And I wouldn't push them if I couldn't handle the consequences.

So let me summarize so that when you get all excited about having gotten a response out of me you can easily formulate your thoughts.

1 - you're an asshole. Everyone knows it. But have fun being a leader in your own mind.

2 - You just pissed of the nicest guy in the world and also the best head porter in the world. You turned on Greg Good. You used him. Just like you use everyone else. You tried to make him the fool for your own internet smack. Nice character you got there.

3 - What I do with my car is not only my business, but it's my business which I'll do with whatever I want to with.

4 - I'm not going to Bradenton b/c I'd rather spend my time with people that matter in life and NOT waste-products. In fact, i'd rather dive head first into a pit full of my own vomit than spend any more time reading your posts or responding to your mud-slinging. Which is also why you are going on IGNORE after I hit 'submit reply' on this note.

5 - Nobody likes you. Except the tuners you are paying money to. that is only until you pay them in full.

6 - Open invitation for you to stop by and take a ride. But as many can attest to, i'm a bit crazy on the road so bring some balls with you.

7 - Fuck off. Or as was said on the VCA board, please go back to your hole.

8 - I am sooooooooooooooo glad I didn't sell you my AEM serial gauge.

PS - you are now officially on IGNORE. Have one of your cretins contact me if you are actually going to stop by so i can make arrangements. I won't see it if you publicly post the date and time. But I doubt you will... you don't have the balls. you'll make some excuse but the truth is that when you can't hide behind the keyboard anymore i bet the landscape changes quite a bit, eh?

*meow* *meow*

Any questions?

Joseph
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Yes I have thought about getting the rebuild kits. I'll have to tear it down and inspect the turbine wheel shaft. If the wheel shaft is burnt then its gonna require a new turbine wheel shaft. At that point I just might as well get a new turbo T4 57 trim since it only cost me $550 for one. A turbine wheel shaft is not cheap plus it would require rebalance. If its just the bearings then the bearings are pretty cheap and a rebuild kit would be on order.


Thanks to those that applaud my effort. I'll be around in the near future.
Like it was said, i respect you for coming back after all the shit thrown your way and admitting it didnt work out when you could have just slowly disappeared. Good choice focusing on school and i wish you better luck when part 2 picks up!
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andy i commend you for coming on here and posting the truth. its not over though. your at the finish line, fix the turbos. get it running.
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andy i commend you for coming on here and posting the truth. its not over though. your at the finish line, fix the turbos. get it running.
exactly, don't give up now
take Joe's offer and get a ride in a TT, you'll get your motivation back and maybe some confidence
I admire you for even attempting this project, I have seriously considered it but I don't have the facilities or support to manage it (or the funds right now, since I'm also in the middle of school )
good luck and don't get frustrated yet
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Joseph, why would you want to own V10?????????

Andy, it is a huge learning curve and thousands of man hours with the right support staff to get it right if you're starting from scratch! Good luck!
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Andy, I have been shopping for turbos myself recently and was told by numerous people to stay away from the 57 trim T4, as it has some odd boost characteristics. I haven't looked closely at a compressor map yet, but I am just passing on what I have heard from several people/ turbo dealers.
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