Please don't say things that you know nothing about.......Belangers ARE NOT a high volume manufactured product!! They ARE hand fabricated by Lou Belanger himself! They ARE the headers chosen by Dodge for the 2008 Viper because they had NO failures in the exhaustive (no pun intended) testing with most of the "other" headers out there that failed because they cracked due to poor manufacturing.........you can make up your mind when you know all the facts!
I may have mis-spoken myself about the Belangers, but not the B&B.
The B&B are not that great for overall quality.
I cannot Imagine each set of Belangers is hand made like the SVS ones, that's all I was saying.
The Belangers have the tri-Y and the SVS has the Burns merge collector; I prefer the Burns Merge collector.
Please don't say things that you know nothing about.......Belangers ARE NOT a high volume manufactured product!! They ARE hand fabricated by Lou Belanger himself! They ARE the headers chosen by Dodge for the 2008 Viper because they had NO failures in the exhaustive (no pun intended) testing with most of the "other" headers out there that failed because they cracked due to poor manufacturing.........you can make up your mind when you know all the facts!
What were the "other" headers that failed ?
I HATE working with Belangers, they are a pain and at least one back to back dyno has shown them to be down in power vs (I think) a HMS header. Granted on a stockish motor you probably can't tell, but this specific high power n/a motor could definitely tell the difference.
What I do know to be a fact (not tested for a few miles on a "2008" car) is that my B&B headers that came with my car have been on said car for around 50,000 miles. I just pulled them off for the last time a few weeks ago. They look brand new except for color and there have been no issues at all.
Probably most all Viper headers are hand fabricated.....that may not be a good thing
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Please don't say things that you know nothing about.......Belangers ARE NOT a high volume manufactured product!! They ARE hand fabricated by Lou Belanger himself! They ARE the headers chosen by Dodge for the 2008 Viper because they had NO failures in the exhaustive (no pun intended) testing with most of the "other" headers out there that failed because they cracked due to poor manufacturing.........you can make up your mind when you know all the facts!
+ 100 I watch Lou make my set. No production shop there.
If you look at that sheet. The HMS header only did it up top below 4700 rpm they were neck to neck. Remember a tri-y header is not designed to make HP up top.
I can't see spending that kind of money on a header for a GenI/II that is moving closer and closer to collector status. My 97 has about one or two more track seasons in it then it is moving into poser mode.
But I would be interested to see how much my laps times improved with a set of headers. Anybody wanna go in halvsies with me, let me run them for a year or two and then take them?
Just buy them then sell them when you're done. You'll get more than half of what you paid for them back..
If you look at that sheet. The HMS header only did it up top below 4700 rpm they were neck to neck. Remember a tri-y header is not designed to make HP up top.
That is correct...it's why I said: Granted on a stockish motor you probably can't tell, but this specific high power n/a motor could definitely tell the difference.
What that tells me is that the Belanger won't flow as well when enough air is put into the header. On this application the HMS header was even until 4700 and then really started to flow. If you did that test on a stockish motor you may not see any difference. Same with exhaust....a 2" exhaust will make as much power as a 4" up until some point. If this test were done on say a Roe car, a nitrous car, Paxton car where would the difference start ? My car makes more wtq than that dyno shows peak tq and it makes it at less than 3000rpm. That is why I would prefer a better flowing header.
Your statement that the tri-y is not designed to make hp up top could also be said: It will not flow as much air and at some point is more restrictive.
Now, on the lower end of that graph it may well be the Belanger that is making more power. That fits into the theory that smaller, more restrictive pipes will make more bottom end power.
Why do people remove the pickle ? Some say it restricts a higher power car.
A note on this test.
1. Done by Lingenfelter....one of the best in the biz.
2. This car gets the best pieces to make power no mater the expense.
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Any ideas? I have a friend who has a set of used SVS headers for sale off his GTS. I was thinking about putting some Belangers on my Gen II ACR but these are going to be less. Are they about the same as far as sound/HP gain?
Well your question still hasn't been directly answered has it? No sense letting your thread end yet.
While it may seem natural to want to equip mild n/a cars with the same headers the guys with 9 sec ETs or big dyno HP have, what they use often doesn't apply to the average owner. In fact the magazines are always warning against it, and what Tony's alluding to in his replies.
Over the years, reports from Belanger headers users have been consistently positive regarding power gains. Whether that means they're the best, or only that there are more Belanger headers out there that the other brands is hard to tell.
On the other hand there are other ways of getting very nice HP gains out of the exhaust even with the OE exhaust manifolds still in place. I bought a set of used Belangers earlier this year, since used ones don't come up for sale very often, then later sold them again without putting them on after realizing I'm already making at least as much HP as any header catback combo I could buy-so why increase my costs for no gain?
So much so that it looks I'm going to have to get a tune one way or the other to counter a now way to rich Open Loop problem, unless the one inlet side mod I have left to do can counter the richness via the additional airflow.
yes, there has been some very good info posted here, although there is no clear answer, i know more about each setup than i did before. i will say that i have found a used set of never installed belangers for 1550, and a never installed set of SVS headers for $1250, so I'm not sure which is better? price alone would say the SVS if I get them properly heat shielded.
If you look at that sheet. The HMS header only did it up top below 4700 rpm they were neck to neck. Remember a tri-y header is not designed to make HP up top.
When I'm on the track, I'm NEVER under about 3500rpm. To me, it's ALL about how much power is available "up top."
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