Okay folks, here is where I am at. my LC-1 is in and functioning and sending a good soilid AF ratio to my digital aftermarket (not Innocate) guage. I then wanted to use the VEC II logging so I could log and tune the car. I then saw the LC-1 has the analog output that is programmable and did a search and on the Morgue it has the settings to program the LC-1 analog for the VEC II. I programmed the LC-1 according to the VCA thread INNOVATE LC-1 to Vec set-up question - Viper Club of America Discussion Forums
The display still works, but the logging feature isn't set up properly as I have it set into Analog 1 in (slave). It looks like it is flatlined here on my graph. I guess I first need to see if I just don't know how to read my logfile correctly before I track a problem. I was trying to get a 11.5 to 12.0 with my Windshield washer WM kit, but right now I see it dipping into 11.0 only at a smll part of the run and I need to get this straight before I drive it as I am adding more goodies to the Roe and tweaking it.
If someone can look at a log file and see if maybe I am not reading this right or let me know that the Morgue stuff is wrong, please do I would appreciate it. I just want to tune this and that I have a handle on as I fussed with this a bit, but rather than watch my guage and tune it like that, the logging feature would be a lot nicer and more accurate to use.
Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Plum, I could have a passanger write down the RT data with my RPM and the tune from there if need be, but I figure the logging software would be better to use as I can get more exact measurements. Again, it might be working okay, but I maybe I need to hit something in my logging software to see it besides checking analog 1 or the like. When I check it, all I see is a line. I mean I just need to know if it is registereing or not so I can see what the deal is. If anyone can look at my log, that would be kewl so at least I know if it is wired in and programed correctly in both the Innovate and the VEC II before I start checking connections and the like. TY!
I use the LM1 logging software w/ the RPM cable. I only use the Vec when needing to 'diagnosis' or check things (Fuel %, duty %, pulse, etc..). I prefer the LM1 data speed.
Red, is the RPM cable an Innovate cable option that I can buy? I didn't even read anything about that, but is the VEC logging software that bad to use? I mean all the other data would just be so comprehensive and allow me to get the bigger picture. I have a serial cable wired into the cockpit of the car, so I could run it to the LC-1 easy enough and do it that way once I get the RPM data if needed. I mean it would work if I had to.... TY for posts, but I am getting the feeling a lot of guys do not do the logging, WB or tuning all together by themselves except a handful. I just want to get into it and learn more, but I can't get the AF to my VEC log to get into it the way I need. Thanks for the post Red, at least it sounds as if I have another alternative :-)
I think the logging works just fine. I tuned my car with dual LC1's and VEC2. The setup in the link sounds right. Did you set up your 0V and 5V parameters? Did you also change your analog input in the VEC to dispay A/F?
Blue, I think maybe that isthe issue with the VEC. Can anyone look at my log please if I send it to them to see if they can see it? I just need to know if the problem lies with my dumb ass or my programming of the VEC/Innovate or lastly the wiring itself. I don't think it could be the wiring, but I did program the Innovate, but the VEC II logging stuff I admit I am new at so I am thinking thaqt is mostly the likely problem, so maybe I don't know how to view it right. If anyone looks at a log I send them, could they see right away and say what the deal is wther the problem lies in there or not? TY Gary
Okay here is the deal: I programmed the VEC II for AF and it DOES read the AF ration in scale, but it goes the opposite way when it accelerates! I mean instead of the AF going leaner like my gauge indicates, it goes richer on the VEC log, while the digital AF gauge goes leaner. I checked the LC-1 programming as I am using it on Analog 2 of the LC-1 to Slave Analog 1 on the VEC II, and anyhow all seems like it should be. Ready to tune, but screwed up here, but at least I know it is wired right..... Suggestions appreciated besides get a Corvette
Okay here is the deal: I programmed the VEC II for AF and it DOES read the AF ration in scale, but it goes the opposite way when it accelerates! I mean instead of the AF going leaner like my gauge indicates, it goes richer on the VEC log, while the digital AF gauge goes leaner. I checked the LC-1 programming as I am using it on Analog 2 of the LC-1 to Slave Analog 1 on the VEC II, and anyhow all seems like it should be. Ready to tune, but screwed up here, but at least I know it is wired right..... Suggestions appreciated besides get a Corvette
I would guess you set up the LC1 backwards in that 0V should = 10 and perhaps you made that 18. That setup should only effect the analog outs. My Innovate gauge knows natively how to read from the innovate and if you are using the gauge output wires yours should too.
My other issue is it doesn't look like an AF ratio or I would say that might be correct if the relationship was inverse but represented just a curve. instead of it being like a sine wave or the like it doesn't ramp up like an AF curve. I will recheck it now to be sure, but I am thinking since my digital AF soometimes displays a 20 at idle bouncing all around, maybe I need to change the scale from the 10-18 paramenter to the 10-20 or the like. I will also try the logging feature f the Innovate sans the RPM cable to see if that gives the right readings and TY for the reply! I know a lot of guys have SC and TT here, but I'm thinking only a handful do thier own tuning and I am just getting into the club and need a handle on the data before I can really tune. Thus far I only have played with the fuel on the proram, but within a log and only the gauge I am tunning a bit blind. I apprecaite any help with this stuff! Gary
Thanks Aaron, I am doing that now and I really appreciate the post. I have not recalibrated it and I even have that optional switch installed by my fuse box. Will repost new data one I relog.
On the WB digital display with car off I have a 20.3 AF. I did the recalibration and I see it did make a difference. POS REP for that! Okay, a few issues however... I compared the digital display with the Logworks software from the LC-1 and it was close enough. here are the #'s side by side:
With car off before it started: Logworks AF 21.8 to 22.1. Digital Display 20.3 Steady
With car at cold idle: Logworks AF 14.4 Approx., Digital Display 13.8 to 15.5
Car off after the run: Logworks AF 19.5 Digital Display 19.8 Steady
So anyhow a bit different but enough to tune by and get a great idea. Now here is where it gets weird. I DID in fact recheck the LC-1 settings and it is correct. The VEC is still reading eird and don't match the Logging Software or the Digital Display by any means. I am using Slave Analog 1 and then I changed the reading to Viper Stock AF and anyhow something is wrong. I'd like to get this working on my VEC II, but at least I know I can log with the LC-1 once I buy the RPM adapter if I NEED to go that route. Any suggestions please and TY! I'l shut the F&#% upp and listen now :-)
Gary
UPDATE: On the VEC II with only the key turned on and the car not running it is showing a 12:1 AF ratio. WTF?
Last edited by BAD68GTO : November 10th, 2007 at 03:54 PM.
I'm having the same issue you are, coincidentally. It sounds like you have the right setting on the LC-1. However, your VEC2 is not set up right. You should NOT choose the stock Viper AFR setting. You should choose the setting for "WBO_LM1_LC1." However, if your software is like mine, you don't have that option (otherwise, you would have used it). I think Sean can send us a revised settings file. See my other post on the VEC2 for more info. You are close to making it work, though!
Folks, like Achilles99 said, the problem is the VEC2 software, and hope to get a newer version soon. I have closed this thread as it is under"VEC2 Questions: How to Calibrate Sensor Input, and what does "Export Settings" mean?" so not as to get two threads started. TY to Red, Blue and Achilles for the assist!
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