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Old September 23rd, 2007, 10:04 AM   #41
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Kevin, kevin, kevin. Let's clear up a few things.

1 - Since you brought it up... I'm not the one that dug up your felonies and posted them on-line. All I did was help you track down who did. And you turned on me. Remind me never to help you again when you ask for it. And you had the audacity to do that to me while I was in the hospital with my wife when I told you i didn't have time but you insisted that this was soooooooooooo important.

2 - I've NEVER asked you to tune my car. ever. Nor have I asked anyone to tune my car in the 9 years i've owned it. Again, i've NEVER asked you to do ANYTHING for me for my car. Ever. Nor would I. I don't ask anyone for help. I figure it out on my own.

3 - The ability to tune a car to high HP and the ability to drive a car well are two completely different animals. I don't claim to be a good driver. You are a good driver. I'll never be at the same level nor do I care to be. You can have as many driving trophies as you want. The dyno trophy, on the other hand, isn't for you.

I'm a shady tree mechanic. Yes. What's wrong with that? I've broken my own stuff. What's wrong with that? I've learned from experience. What's wrong with that? And it still has cost me less than if I'd have sent the car to an uber-tuner.

The parts on my car are the same parts that go into your tuned cars... the difference is that I don't make 10x or 100x off of my customers because I'm here to help people not make $$$ off of them.

It must piss you off to no end to know that even with two blown motors, i've still got less than 30k into a turbo system that you charge 60k for. And that the same motor your sell for 13k + core is being built for 5k w/o a core swap. no matter.

Lets outline your facts as you've put them out:

Mike Baxter's car has 'stage 3 ported heads' and makes under 900rwhp using water/meth and a paxton.

BlownGTS's car is supposed to have made MORE power on STOCK heads with STOCK compression with heads that had never been off the car?

I hope that the readers sifting through the phlegm of posts will at least see that this just plain doesn't make sense!

I can document you dozens of cars that make 850-950hp that have ported heads but this would be the miracle of science if you have a car with STOCK heads that makes 900rwhp! unless there is NOS in there... but the graph doesn't look like a NOS graph. It looks like a ported-heads-Paxton graph.

No one will ever know the reality. And it won't matter. Only the customer that gives you 10-15k hoping for 900rwhp... lol!

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1. You turned on Wendy in the smear UR scheme after Paolo told me that he received the info from you so don't pretend you weren't spreading the information around the internet behind my back. You were busted and ratted out Wendy like the back stabber you are. Thank you for that, snitch.

2. You sent me the AEM logs on your car and asked me what I though about how you had it tuned, I still have that information.

3. The dyno trophy isn't for me?? We'll see about that. Yes SVS has made more then our 1600+... where does that put you?

4. Are you finally going to admit that you misunderstood what I said about Blown GTS's car having higher compression than Mike's car? These is so much you don't understand about how we make power on different customer's cars yet you sit under your shade tree and call bullshit on the tuner who has all the records you only wish you had and I'm not talking dyno's here either. Mine is super-secret-sauce but yours is just plain weak sauce.
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There have been a lot of questions about exactly what comes with my DIY T-04 Side mounted Twin Turbo System.

Here is a dyno Graph for what the system can make on a bone stock forged motor:




Here is the breakdown for exactly what you get:

1. Turbo system
2. Fuel system and engine management

Here is what is included with the turbo system for $9999.99

- .96 AR T-04 66mm Turbos With GTQ turbine wheels(800 HP each)
- CPE High flow Turbo Exhaust Manifolds and Up Pipes
- 3" Stainless Steel downpipes With V-band Connections
- (2) Tial 44mm Turbo Wastegates
- Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
- Mandrel Bent High Flow Intercooler Plumbing
- High Flow Custom CPE Front Mount Air-Air Intercooler
- All Necessary T-bolt piping Clamps
- High Pressure Silicone Intercooler Plumbing Connectors
- Turbo Oil Feed Lines and Fittings
- Turbo Oil Drain Lines and Fittings
- High Temperature Silicone Wastegate Control Lines
- All Necessary Vacuum Tees and Hoses
- High Flow Turbo Inlet Plumbing
- Dual High Flow S&B Air Filters
- Heavy duty engine mounts
- Lifetime warranty on all piping


Fuel system upgrade:

- Polished fuel rails,with stainless steel mounting hardware and throttle cable bracket, O-ring AN fittings:

-55#/hr fuel injectors

-Boost-a-Pump, Tested to 800RWHP so far.


Engine management:

- Vec 3


Fuel system upgrade for *EDIT* 800 *EDIT* RWHP and engine management = $2,500.00

Installation and tuning =$2,500.00

Total = $14,999.99

Instead of boost-a-pump, I could substitute a walbro 255 with lines and fittings and a fuel pressure regulator for another $200.00 making the fuel system upgrade $2,700.00 vs $2,500.00 for the boost-a-pump setup.

The additional labor to install extra walbro in the tank would add $300.00 to the installation cost.

So 900 RWHP would be $15,499.00 installed and tuned. My mistake. I will definitely do it for that price.



Additional upgrades:

Here is what the Twin Side Mounted Intercoolers for 1K looks like:









Benefits:

1. No blockage of air to radiator, oil cooler or AC condensor associated with front mount intercoolers.

2. No preheating of air going through AC condensor, Oil Cooler or Radiator.

3. It is possible to fit much more intercooler core/volume/heat sink capability behind the foglights.

Intercooler piping that comes out behind the radiator for $350.00 looks like this:









Cool Air Intake: My system pulls air from outside the hot engine compartment!

Here is a picture of the monster air filters positioned in the front of the car outside of the engine compartment pulling nothing but cool, dense air to the turbos to force feed your snake with only the best!



Here is also a picture of where the air filters will be placed for the front mount intercooler setup:





==> Unlike the Paxton supercharger setup, this system pulls cool air through monster sized air filters!

I can do the entire system installed and tuned with VEC 3 and a BAP for $14,999.99 in about 1.5 weeks turnaround time.


Benefits of Turbocharging vs Supercharging:

1. It takes 100-150 RWHP(depending on boost level) to spin the Paxton supercharger.


What does this mean to the end user?

a. With Supercharger, lower peak RWHP on stock fuel pump/Boost-a-Pump combination.
b. More stress crank snout and reciprocating assembly at a given RWHP compared to a turbo car.

So whatever the supercharger is putting to the wheels, add another 100-150 the engine has to make to spin the supercharger.

More power output = shorter engine life period.

2. Adjustability of boost from the cockpit.

To change boost levels with a supercharger, you physically need to change to a smaller or larger pulley to spin the supercharger faster or slower to make more or less boost.

With an adjustable boost controller, the end user can adjust the boost level while driving or electronically with the engine management or the boost controller alone if advanced enough.

Adjustability of boost revisited:

==> With turbos, not only can the boost be adjusted from inside the cockpit, but also by Gear, RPM, Time/etc...

What does this mean for driveability for cars making a lot of power ie 900+RWHP?

Being able to ramp in the boost with turbos will be more user friendly, safer and easier to control.

Example:

1st gear = 7 PSI
2nd gear = 8-9 PSI
3rd gear = 10-12 PSI
4th gear = 15-17+ PSI

Being able to control the boost in a manner such as this makes driving a TT a breeze!

Disclaimer: You must have the stones to put your foot to the floor!

3. Turbos only make boost when you are in the throttle.

Off boost, the turbos are only spinning fast enough to maximize the volumetric efficiency of the motor for increased fuel mileage.

Air-Air vs Air-Water for moderate street driving:

My air-air intercoolers have more functionality for 900 RWHP cars driving on the street than the air-water intercooler that comes with the paxton kit.

The air-water will get heat soaked more quickly and will require more time to dissipate the heat built up to make for cool air intake temps.

Top End Power Potential:

CPE Sidemount Twin Turbo: Conservatively 1200-1300 RWHP.

Paxton: 1050 RWHP. Belt Slippage will definitely come into play by this point for those who are driving the car hard.

Moral of the Story:

Why go the supercharger route when you can get turbos and all their inherent advantages for just about the same price?

==> My sidemount TT can be shipped to and installed by the end user, you have but to ask.
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This can be solved real easy. I'm sure a member here will go to UG to do his 15k package. We'll simply wait and see the video's/graphs. Hell, I live 1.5h from UG, I'll go drive down and watch it/video it myself if that will help.
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1. You turned on Wendy in the smear UR scheme after Paolo told me that he received the info from you so don't pretend you weren't spreading the information around the internet behind my back. You were busted and ratted out Wendy like the back stabber you are. Thank you for that, snitch.

2. You sent me the AEM logs on your car and asked me what I though about how you had it tuned, I still have that information.

3. The dyno trophy isn't for me?? We'll see about that. Yes SVS has made more then our 1600+... where does that put you?

4. Are you finally going to admit that you misunderstood what I said about Blown GTS's car having higher compression than Mike's car? These is so much you don't understand about how we make power on different customer's cars yet you sit under your shade tree and call bullshit on the tuner who has all the records you only wish you had and I'm not talking dyno's here either. Mine is super-secret-sauce but yours is just plain weak sauce.

1 - Neither you nor Wendy are friends of mine. And neither of us got you busted for whatever you were busted for. Paolo, on the other hand, is a friend. And I did share with him what Wendy had sent me. That was it. It must have been so damaging that you felt compelled to tell the world about your record. I'm trying to see how I'm at fault here.

2 - I asked your for an opinion which you never gave. Something like 'you're gonna blow your sh*t up' or 'you got lots of room on X Y or Z' is what i was looking for. I don't recall ever asking you to tune my car! delusions of grandeur it seems.

3 - Puts me as the fastest DIY TT RT/10 in the east!

4 - I think you spewed too much super-secret-sauce on your customers cars. RE: BlownGTS's car: Didn't that car need to be rebuilt right after it was sold due to some catastrophic engine failure before it had the TTs on it? We can agree that every car is different. Are you willing to come out here and say that BlownGTSs car (before it was blown) made 900+ RWHP on STOCK heads that were never off the car? Please, enlighten us all as to how a STOCK headed car made MORE power than multiple comparable cars with stage-3 head-port jobs? I just don't get it.

Enlighten us all so that I can shut up, apologize, and go back to my shady tree. And I'll be happy to... but I just don't see it. Teach us. Enlighten us. Show me how I'm wrong. Please! I like being proven wrong!

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1 - Neither you nor Wendy are friends of mine. And neither of us got you busted for whatever you were busted for. Paolo, on the other hand, is a friend. And I did share with him what Wendy had sent me. That was it. It must have been so damaging that you felt compelled to tell the world about your record. I'm trying to see how I'm at fault here.

2 - I asked your for an opinion which you never gave. Something like 'you're gonna blow your sh*t up' or 'you got lots of room on X Y or Z' is what i was looking for. I don't recall ever asking you to tune my car! delusions of grandeur it seems.

3 - Puts me as the fastest DIY TT RT/10 in the east!

4 - I think you spewed too much super-secret-sauce on your customers cars. RE: BlownGTS's car: Didn't that car need to be rebuilt right after it was sold due to some catastrophic engine failure before it had the TTs on it? We can agree that every car is different. Are you willing to come out here and say that BlownGTSs car (before it was blown) made 900+ RWHP on STOCK heads that were never off the car? Please, enlighten us all as to how a STOCK headed car made MORE power than multiple comparable cars with stage-3 head-port jobs? I just don't get it.

Enlighten us all so that I can shut up, apologize, and go back to my shady tree. And I'll be happy to... but I just don't see it. Teach us. Enlighten us. Show me how I'm wrong. Please! I like being proven wrong!

JD

1. You threw everyone under the bus to try and cover your ass on the smear UR campaign including your friend Paolo and I have your mails to prove that.

2. OK, so you admit you asked me to help you with your tune and I declined, glad that's settled.

3. You should quit there before you hurt yourself, seriously.

4. The Blown GTS original stock motor did not blow up at any point before we put TT's on it. This is yet another lie you need to apologize for spreading. Not holding my breath.

I will post the dyno sheets of our next stock motor Paxton which the owner will attest to. This will prove my point and make you look like the ass you are. I'm sorry I won't share the tuning and kit modifications I use to make the power but they are part of our 15k kit and the motor will be bone stock. I don't expect to ever get an apology out of you knowing what I now about how you are wired. If you want to continue your attack on our integrity start your own thread.
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1. You threw everyone under the bus to try and cover your ass on the smear UR campaign including your friend Paolo and I have your mails to prove that.

2. OK, so you admit you asked me to help you with your tune and I declined, glad that's settled.

3. You should quit there before you hurt yourself, seriously.

4. The Blown GTS original stock motor did not blow up at any point before we put TT's on it. This is yet another lie you need to apologize for spreading. Not holding my breath.

I will post the dyno sheets of our next stock motor Paxton which the owner will attest to. This will prove my point and make you look like the ass you are. I'm sorry I won't share the tuning and kit modifications I use to make the power but they are part of our 15k kit and the motor will be bone stock. I don't expect to ever get an apology out of you knowing what I now about how you are wired. If you want to continue your attack on our integrity start your own thread.
1- no smear campaign here. I still send people your way for business as you can attest to. In fact, I just got off the phone with someone else that i reffered your way. The fact that we may have personal differences doesn't mean I can't respect your work. I can keep those two apart... can you?

2 - No. I asked you to take a look at the tune. And you never declined. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath on the help??? oh well. I'll have to continue to tune it myself.

3 - probably. But I'm not a quitter.

4 - I don't care so much about the rumors. What I'm more interested in is a paxton kit on a STOCK headed STOCK viper. Stock manifolds included. I'll throw you all the accolades in the world when I see it! As for BlownGTS's car, no one will ever really know. that is ancient history now. Which is fine. But i'm still curious: Do you have an explanation for what made that car such an anomaly? I mean you have to ask yourself why other cars can't break 900rwhp with stage2 and stage 3 ported head work yet this freak of [viper] nature made over 900rwhp with STOCK heads. c'mon... even that has to seem strange to an experienced builder and tuner such as yourself. If you'd rather not post the answer i'll keep it quiet in a PM... but I sure am curious!

You WILL get a public apology AND accolades out of me when you post the #'s for a bone-stock + Paxton set-up. I look forward to it! The biggest benefactor of this will be the viper community as a whole!

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1- no smear campaign here. I still send people your way for business as you can attest to. In fact, I just got off the phone with someone else that i reffered your way. The fact that we may have personal differences doesn't mean I can't respect your work. I can keep those two apart... can you?

2 - No. I asked you to take a look at the tune. And you never declined. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath on the help??? oh well. I'll have to continue to tune it myself.

3 - probably. But I'm not a quitter.

4 - I don't care so much about the rumors. What I'm more interested in is a paxton kit on a STOCK headed STOCK viper. Stock manifolds included. I'll throw you all the accolades in the world when I see it! As for BlownGTS's car, no one will ever really know. that is ancient history now. Which is fine. But i'm still curious: Do you have an explanation for what made that car such an anomaly? I mean you have to ask yourself why other cars can't break 900rwhp with stage2 and stage 3 ported head work yet this freak of [viper] nature made over 900rwhp with STOCK heads. c'mon... even that has to seem strange to an experienced builder and tuner such as yourself. If you'd rather not post the answer i'll keep it quiet in a PM... but I sure am curious!

You WILL get a public apology AND accolades out of me when you post the #'s for a bone-stock + Paxton set-up. I look forward to it! The biggest benefactor of this will be the viper community as a whole!

JD
Joseph, Did you read Matt's (GTSNRT10) post? He isn't too far from you I believe. I already believe Matt told you what was done on HIS OWN CAR FROM UGR and what numbers it lays down. I don't blame Kevin for not giving you the answers for the questions you asked, the same way that I don't blame Paolo for not showing his logs until recently to the others that wanted a peek. If you really want to know if Kevin's work is smoke and mirrors or legit, take Matt up on his offer here. Meet up with him and I am sure you will see his BONE STOCK Paxton UGR kit with STOCK heads putting down the numbers discussed here. NO SMOKE NO MIRRORS. JUST HORSEPOWER plain and simple.
I also believe I know of a few other kits being done shortly at UGR which would gladly take you up on your offer of having a peek Let's leave the bullshit aside here as I remember this being a thread to promote Paolo's new kit and started by him to discuss THAT. Somehow we keep getting side tracked with bullshit regarding a mans past that I doubt many here give a shit about. I have a past too when I was a teenage kid, anyone interested in knowing what I did, pm me. I dont expect anyone cares to here about that though either...
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Joseph, Did you read Matt's (GTSNRT10) post? ...
yup. PM'd him. he's 4 hours from here. If he cares enough we will hook up. I even offered to remove his heads for free if he wants to get them ported once we have the car apart.

We'll see what he says.

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On a lighter note. Everyone who's had SCs and an unlimited budget usually upgraded to Twin Turbos.

WAR TTs are still better than SCs



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yup. PM'd him. he's 4 hours from here. If he cares enough we will hook up. I even offered to remove his heads for free if he wants to get them ported once we have the car apart.

We'll see what he says.

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sorry again Palo, but at least the thread is staying at the top

Matt, why don't you start your own thread?

I do not care about your supercharger.

This is a thread about my Twin Turbo setup.

Goodbye.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 03:08 PM   #55
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Joseph, Did you read Matt's (GTSNRT10) post? He isn't too far from you I believe. I already believe Matt told you what was done on HIS OWN CAR FROM UGR and what numbers it lays down. I don't blame Kevin for not giving you the answers for the questions you asked, the same way that I don't blame Paolo for not showing his logs until recently to the others that wanted a peek. If you really want to know if Kevin's work is smoke and mirrors or legit, take Matt up on his offer here. Meet up with him and I am sure you will see his BONE STOCK Paxton UGR kit with STOCK heads putting down the numbers discussed here. NO SMOKE NO MIRRORS. JUST HORSEPOWER plain and simple.
I also believe I know of a few other kits being done shortly at UGR which would gladly take you up on your offer of having a peek Let's leave the bullshit aside here as I remember this being a thread to promote Paolo's new kit and started by him to discuss THAT. Somehow we keep getting side tracked with bullshit regarding a mans past that I doubt many here give a shit about. I have a past too when I was a teenage kid, anyone interested in knowing what I did, pm me. I dont expect anyone cares to here about that though either...

Uhh-oh, the the people whose balls you break here about these mistakes are rubbing off on you bud! I guess that's neither here nor there......
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