Go Back   Viper Alley - Dodge Viper Forum » Viper Alley » Viper Discussions - Gen I/Gen II
» Live Feed « · War Room · Graffiti Wall · Chat · Arcade · Viper Blogs · » Viper Tube «

Viper Discussions - Gen I/Gen II Discussions of Viper-related subjects covering Gen-I and Gen-II models.

       

Cpe Turbo kit install progress

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Old July 12th, 2007, 12:09 AM   #161
Paolo Castellano
Senior Member
 
Paolo Castellano's Avatar
 
Paolo Castellano is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,481
Paolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 points
Rep Power: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by JID View Post
The correct term is IAT which = Intake Air Temp. AIT is a dyslexic version of that which is Air Intake Temp... or so I am guessing as both Google and the Wiki said that AIT has nothing to do with cars.

Back to the GM IAT sensor - i'm all about testing one of these. Does anyone have the part # for the one that fits the same bung as the viper?

JD

Home » Shop » Sensors » Temp Sensors » Fast-Response GM Delphi / Packard Intake Air Temperature Sensor ( IAT / MAT / ACT ) or Manifold Air Temperature Sensor # 25036751 *Recommended*
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 01:38 AM   #162
us51gts
Enthusiast
 
us51gts is offline
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
us51gts is a B-Teamer with 114 pointsus51gts is a B-Teamer with 114 points
Rep Power: 4
I want one too!!

Carl
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 08:33 AM   #163
Heffner Performance
Senior Member
 
Heffner Performance's Avatar
 
Heffner Performance is offline
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,385
Heffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 points
Rep Power: 14
Sure. Next time we are in the same state together with turbo Vipers it would be great to get out on the road course. Would it please you if I added the disclaimer that our smaller intercooler which would be the one that I would recommend if you wanted to go road racing is only good for high 8's @ ~165 mph?

One thing that we should not overlook here is that neither you, I or any of our customers will likely be capable of using 800 rwhp around a road course effectively. I would bet on the TT car getting it's ass kicked by a good head / cam car around most any road course. As neat as the idea sounds it's not very realistic.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 08:55 AM   #164
UnderGroundRacing.com
Supporting Vendor
 
UnderGroundRacing.com's Avatar
 
UnderGroundRacing.com is offline
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,432
UnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 pointsUnderGroundRacing.com made Varsity with 846 points
Rep Power: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
Sure. Next time we are in the same state together with turbo Vipers it would be great to get out on the road course. Would it please you if I added the disclaimer that our smaller intercooler which would be the one that I would recommend if you wanted to go road racing is only good for high 8's @ ~165 mph?

One thing that we should not overlook here is that neither you, I or any of our customers will likely be capable of using 800 rwhp around a road course effectively. I would bet on the TT car getting it's ass kicked by a good head / cam car around most any road course. As neat as the idea sounds it's not very realistic.
When we did that TT Viper for Don Wilson he took it to a Viper days event and beat on it all day with NO issues. Well the only issue was he could not get any traction.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:03 AM   #165
Heffner Performance
Senior Member
 
Heffner Performance's Avatar
 
Heffner Performance is offline
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,385
Heffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 points
Rep Power: 14
He took it to a road course? With a front mounted intercooler? Impossible! (sarcasm). That was my point, that level of power is not realistically useable on a road course and that a good head / cam car which can still have more power than you need will be able to apply the power to the ground more smoothly and get around the track much more quickly.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:25 AM   #166
Paolo Castellano
Senior Member
 
Paolo Castellano's Avatar
 
Paolo Castellano is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,481
Paolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 points
Rep Power: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
Sure. Next time we are in the same state together with turbo Vipers it would be great to get out on the road course. Would it please you if I added the disclaimer that our smaller intercooler which would be the one that I would recommend if you wanted to go road racing is only good for high 8's @ ~165 mph?

One thing that we should not overlook here is that neither you, I or any of our customers will likely be capable of using 800 rwhp around a road course effectively. I would bet on the TT car getting it's ass kicked by a good head / cam car around most any road course. As neat as the idea sounds it's not very realistic.
Joseph Dell is planning on taking his car to the road course in the near future.

Why don't you send one of your similarly powered cars with the intercooler to support that kind of power to the roadcourse so we can log coolant temps, IAT's and oil temps?

How much do you want to bet JID's temps would be lower on a hot day at the road course?

How about on a hot day on the street?

P.S. Whether you think you can use the power or not, I know I used about 1100 RWHP on JID's without issue.
__________________
The slippery slope of modding any car often seems unavoidable.......... Just go turbos and avoid all the headaches! LOL!
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:43 AM   #167
jason b
Senior Member
 
jason b is offline
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,009
jason b is kissing alot of ass around here with 465 pointsjason b is kissing alot of ass around here with 465 pointsjason b is kissing alot of ass around here with 465 pointsjason b is kissing alot of ass around here with 465 pointsjason b is kissing alot of ass around here with 465 points
Rep Power: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo Castellano View Post
Joseph Dell is planning on taking his car to the road course in the near future.

Why don't you send one of your similarly powered cars with the intercooler to support that kind of power to the roadcourse so we can log coolant temps, IAT's and oil temps?

How much do you want to bet JID's temps would be lower on a hot day at the road course?

How about on a hot day on the street?

P.S. Whether you think you can use the power or not, I know I used about 1100 RWHP on JID's without issue.
1100 RWHP on a road course!?!?!?!?!?
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM   #168
Heffner Performance
Senior Member
 
Heffner Performance's Avatar
 
Heffner Performance is offline
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,385
Heffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 points
Rep Power: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo Castellano View Post
P.S. Whether you think you can use the power or not, I know I used about 1100 RWHP on JID's without issue.
The issue is that you would have gotten lapped by a head and cam car. How about getting together and putting that theory to the test?
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM   #169
Boiler
Senior Member
 
Boiler's Avatar
 
Boiler is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Williston, ND
Posts: 2,504
Boiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 points
Rep Power: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason b View Post
1100 RWHP on a road course!?!?!?!?!?
When F1 cars were running the turbos it was not uncommon for them to be at that kind of power level in qualifying trim.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:50 AM   #170
Heffner Performance
Senior Member
 
Heffner Performance's Avatar
 
Heffner Performance is offline
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,385
Heffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 pointsHeffner Performance made Varsity with 1444 points
Rep Power: 14
Please don't start comparing F1 cars to Vipers.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:51 AM   #171
Boiler
Senior Member
 
Boiler's Avatar
 
Boiler is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Williston, ND
Posts: 2,504
Boiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 pointsBoiler made Varsity with 966 points
Rep Power: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
Please don't start comparing F1 cars to Vipers.
Im not I was just pointing out that it has been done before sheesh


Apples to Oranges I know
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:56 AM   #172
DBK
Senior Member
 
DBK is offline
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Metro D
Posts: 286
DBK is well liked with 229 pointsDBK is well liked with 229 pointsDBK is well liked with 229 points
Rep Power: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
Please don't start comparing F1 cars to Vipers.
Why not if they both ran turbos
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 09:57 AM   #173
ROGUE GTS
Suspended
 
ROGUE GTS's Avatar
 
ROGUE GTS is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,518
ROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 pointsROGUE GTS is The Man with 1695 points
Rep Power: 0
Send a message via AIM to ROGUE GTS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
The issue is that you would have gotten lapped by a head and cam car. How about getting together and putting that theory to the test?
I don't think the point of the test is to prove which car is ultimately faster around the track, but more of an equal comparison between two vehicles in the same conditions. Even if they are both equally slow and getting owned by a spec miata, thats not the point.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 10:01 AM   #174
Paolo Castellano
Senior Member
 
Paolo Castellano's Avatar
 
Paolo Castellano is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,481
Paolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 pointsPaolo Castellano is kissing alot of ass around here with 539 points
Rep Power: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heffner Performance View Post
The issue is that you would have gotten lapped by a head and cam car. How about getting together and putting that theory to the test?

I am not saying a full race heads and cam car would not be faster.

I am saying the side mounted intercooler setup will run cooler than a front mount IC setup with both cars making the same power going the same speed around a roadcourse.

The front mount IC car WILL run hotter coolant temps and oil temps than the sidemount setup period.

So from a daily driveability standpoint, ie the car behaving the most like stock, the side mount setup is superior in design and function.

I am saying I am willing to go to a roadcourse, run them hard with a real driver(that excludes me) and see which one comes out on top.

You seen to keep missing the point or changing the focus so you do not have to show up.

Do you want to show up and see what happens between the different setups?
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 10:15 AM   #175
v10kingsnake
Goopy Goop Conspirator
 
v10kingsnake's Avatar
 
v10kingsnake is offline
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Jersey
Posts: 8,591
v10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 pointsv10kingsnake is The Man with 1857 points
Rep Power: 20
To really keep the testing fair both cars should be running the same radiator as well. By the way, anyone want to wager whether or not this comparison is really ever done. I got a $1,000 on NOT.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 10:18 AM   #176
Viper4Christ
Through Orion
 
Viper4Christ's Avatar
 
Viper4Christ is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,776
Viper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 pointsViper4Christ made Varsity with 1217 points
Rep Power: 13
That settles it then, JID's car against a Heff car set at similar low boost power levels and see who's car runs hotter after a few laps. Maybe someone from JT's team or Redsled can provide the drivers. Under those conditions I'd say the CPE set up would run a little cooler, but will this actually happen, probably not but it's an idea at least.
Good points made on here too.
  Reply With Quote

Old July 12th, 2007, 10:28 AM   #177
Heffner Performance
Senior Member