Okay lets just forget the comment that I stated on a chrome pipe retain heat ordeal. Its a small detail thats not even irrelevant. Didn't mean to throw any small jabs. I will spot out the bigger issues which was the spread bar for road race applications.
Im not trying to bash on anybodys kit. They all have their ups and downs and tradeoffs. Im just trying to state the purpose of the twin kit im building and what makes mine different b/c not to many people will know the difference between twin turbo kits on first glance.
I'll be using aluminum for the intake plumbing.
As for the footwell setup im building since Im using E compressor covers there is no dicing or hacking required. But it is true this setup is limited to E compressor covers but for a mild build up thats qutie fine. They have E compressor covers on pt67 turbos which are capable of 1500 hp combined.
I don't think air/air cooling issues is that bad as you state for road race applications.
Even then Im not using air/air setup. Im using water/air intercooler which is mounted beteen radiator and throttle body. So cooling would be no issue in a road race setup.
But you are right we gota wait and see how far I progress and show the finished product.
As for updates I got the wastegates mounted
Time to work on exhaust dump
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 2nd, 2007 at 01:56 PM.
Happen to have any pics of undergrounds street setup? So far I seen their drag setup (no a/c, no fenders)
Im havin a hard time finding their setup. Its not on their website and hard to find on the net their turbo kit layout.
Also do they even offer DIY packages b/c its not on their website.?
Again im targeting the DIY crowd.
So far I know PTK, SVS, CPE offers diy kits.
Well looks like the air/air unit has no problem cooling the car for the svs setup. Since mine is water/air cooled it should do even better since it doesn't obstruct the radiator at all.
P.S. The driver of that svs viper is a little bit jerky with his hands.
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 2nd, 2007 at 08:27 PM.
Those headers are some of the worst headers I have ever seen. Those things make dynodickhead look like a genius. Why in the hell would you mig weld ss headers or any header for that matter. If they are not mig welded then put down the torch and run to the nearest welding school for some lessons. Please dude don't be questioning other peoples work when your shit looks like that. I bitch allot about other peoples headers on here and now you come along bragging about how you have it all figured out and everyone else can learn from you. Well by the looks of that garbage I am having a hard time believing what you say.
Those headers are some of the worst headers I have ever seen. Those things make dynodickhead look like a genius. Why in the hell would you mig weld ss headers or any header for that matter. If they are not mig welded then put down the torch and run to the nearest welding school for some lessons. Please dude don't be questioning other peoples work when your shit looks like that. I bitch allot about other peoples headers on here and now you come along bragging about how you have it all figured out and everyone else can learn from you. Well by the looks of that garbage I am having a hard time believing what you say.
I'll admit im a better designer, fabricator then I am a welder.
I don't know why your bitchin moanin and groanin. These welds I did with coat look pretty fine to me. Heck at times you can't even see the weld.
I already went to welding school long time back.
Just give it time, i'll clean the engine bay up, get the pipes coated and get some final pics. No need to jump the gun and start bashing on my prototype of a twin turbo viper kit I made. So far I concluded that my prototype design is a green light.
Didn't realize there were that many rude people on this board. Heck its like a war zone in here. Sorrry for trying to show my prototype design to some of you.. Didn't mean to get your panties all up in a bunch
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 2nd, 2007 at 09:52 PM.
How did that Chris Johnson set-up end up going? I'd heard that it was very pretty but didn't do much in the performance dept. Again, just the rumor.
JD
Not sure how it perform and what the final results were but by looking at the size of his header pipes and turbos, it was definetly designed to make HUGE hp
Not exactly sure on his primary pipes but they looked larger then 1 3/4" He had 3" collectors and massive turbos. MASSIVE is the only way i can describe his kit. If he had problems making power with his kit it was most likely tuning related and not his kit.
But ya i wish i knew more about his setup and his final results.
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 PM.
Happen to have any pics of undergrounds street setup? So far I seen their drag setup (no a/c, no fenders)
Im havin a hard time finding their setup. Its not on their website and hard to find on the net their turbo kit layout.
What the hell are you talking about? Underground has removed fenders and AC? I think you were looking at another Tuners Viper. The STREET 6 speed Viper that went 7.98 @ 183 is 100% street Viper with ALL options and that includes AC and fenders. It weighed 3750 ponds with the driver. That Viper could travel across the county and back with no issues. Please get your kit done and get it to the track to prove itself... I'm willing to say it won't go near as fast as our 9.20 supercharged street Viper. Please watch what you post and get your FACTS straight before doing so.
Last edited by UnderGroundRacing.com; June 3rd, 2007 at 07:26 AM.
Andy...you do not belong here...this is a place for a few people to pat their own backs, suck each others cocks, and bash anyone new to the board. Forget about being excited about doing something on your own. In here you will find kings of industry, moguls of business and the tuners of tuners. With all of their combined experiences and achievements they have accomplished everything there is to do. You will never be able to top or be on par with any of them. Most forums seem to have a few people like that, this one seems like its full of them….The thing I most enjoy about this site are the comments people leave with “the rep” Mine mostly neg, but then again, who gives a rip. It’s a fucking site on the internet. News flash people, you rep score means nothing!!!!
What the hell are you talking about? Underground has removed fenders and AC? I think you were looking at another Tuners Viper. The STREET 6 speed Viper that went 7.98 @ 183 is 100% street Viper with ALL options and that includes AC and fenders. It weighed 3750 ponds with the driver. That Viper could travel across the county and back with no issues. Please get your kit done and get it to the track to prove itself... I'm willing to say it won't go near as fast as our 9.20 supercharged street Viper. Please watch what you post and get your FACTS straight before doing so.
Sorrry my mistake.
I was looking at this viper. That had no a/c or fenders.
But ya my dads viper is a stock engine setup thats probably going to run around 8 psi. When the time comes when i get dyno numbers show me your stock viper running same psi and we'll compare dynographs of how much different in hp there is between our kits. Gota compare apples to apples.
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 3rd, 2007 at 07:10 PM.
Happen to have any pics of undergrounds street setup? So far I seen their drag setup (no a/c, no fenders)
Im havin a hard time finding their setup. Its not on their website and hard to find on the net their turbo kit layout.
Also do they even offer DIY packages b/c its not on their website.?
Again im targeting the DIY crowd.
So far I know PTK, SVS, CPE offers diy kits.
Well looks like the air/air unit has no problem cooling the car for the svs setup. Since mine is water/air cooled it should do even better since it doesn't obstruct the radiator at all.
P.S. The driver of that svs viper is a little bit jerky with his hands.
I see, well I sure hope you have kindness and paitence of Mother Theresa to deal with the DIY crowd, CPE and Heffner have already "been there done that". It's nothing but hassles because most Viper owners that want these kits have no idea how to instal or tune them like a name brand tuner would, thus getting little result or just having the parts sit around until they finally get someone qualified to instal/tune the system.
How big is the air/whater intercooler your using on the set up? Hopefully it's flow and volume size will match that of what turbo's are being used so you dont overheat them.
The driver of the car is Jr. from SVS, and my point was not how "jerky" his movements were... but if you think that you're TT system would stand up to that level of abuse and not overheat.
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Originally Posted by Casey
If you are creating your OWN TT setup, why do you keep asking to see other tuners PICTURES?
As others have stated previously. Get yours together, post the numbers and take it to the track. Then see how it stacks up.
Between all the tuners pretty much everything has been done, there's nothing left really in terms of system design/turbo position. Anything "new" will be minor changes/upgrades to whats already offered. Even Lee Saunders special built drag V-10 Viper, as Heff already stated uses their footwell mounted 76mm TT kit to get the job done. A 7.74@179 not too bade.
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Jesus, is comin around the mountain soon...
My point was exactly that "he's looking at pictures of current/past Viper Tuner's setups, in order to attempt to design his TT system".
Kind of a 'Copy and paste' designed TT Setup!
My point was exactly that "he's looking at pictures of current/past Viper Tuner's setups, in order to attempt to design his TT system".
Kind of a 'Copy and paste' designed TT Setup!
I started building up the headers and finished before I even looked at any other turbo designs out there. I wanted the buildup to fit my dads requirements. Street Viper setup thats clean and no trimming or removing anything.
After finishing up the headers my design layouy for headers was simliar to sw and i never seen their design till a couple of days ago. And even then its still slightly different. SW had to hack away the 1x1 frame to fit the large PT76 turbos. Im using smaller turbos so no hacking the frame.
Im NOT coping and pasting anybodies design.
I get a lot of questions being asked what makes my kit different from other kits out there. Thats the only reason why im looking at other twin turbo designs so I can answer these questions.
If you were to buy a turbo kit wouldn't you want to know the design differences between the competitors?
Im also using air to water setup which makes this setup completely different from any other twin viper kit i seen. I never seen anybody use an air to water unit. Thus making my kit even more unique.
I feel an air to water setup will yield its benefits without having to trim/cut/shave any plastic. An air to air setup you would have to do a lot of cutting and trimming
So, after your air-to-water cooler heat soaks, then what? Unless you plan on running a radiator for the the a2w like a syclone/typhoon, you are gonna be fucked. And I thought that I saw a crossbrace on teh CPE car?
-Tim
So, after your air-to-water cooler heat soaks, then what? Unless you plan on running a radiator for the the a2w like a syclone/typhoon, you are gonna be fucked. And I thought that I saw a crossbrace on teh CPE car?
-Tim
Yes I do plan to run a heat exchanger. Thats pretty obvious for any air/water setup.
Ya your right about the cpe car I do see the cross brace looping up and down and around all the pipes. Definately not designed to sustain the lateral g's the original piece was supposed to sustain in my opinion.
Last edited by Andy@TmaTurbo.com; June 4th, 2007 at 01:08 AM.
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