Europe Model 99 GTS, why only 384hp ??

[Austrian Viper]

I´m about to buy a blck 99` GTS in Germany.

VIN 1C3ERC9E1XV503131

I want 99, because I will need the forged internals
to use the Heffner 1000hp SC package without modding the engine.

But I see the Europe GTS have only 384 hp.
They also were sold as a Chrysler Viper there, not Dodge?!?!

Why the hell is that??

I think I heard something about them having an other ECU, maybe additional cats??
I hope they had the forged internals??

Anyone could please help me on that, as my flight to germany is on monday and as much as I love my 900hp Supra......I want that Viper bad!

Just need to be sure what I have to change to get to the 450hp that the US models had and if it has the forged internals.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help, guys !!

[Gen3Fan]

Here's what carfax says:
05/16/1999 Vehicle Exporter Vehicle exported from Baltimore, MD
and imported to Belgium

I have NO WAY TO SAY FOR SURE, but I don't see why it wouldn't have the forged internals. As far as power goes, there could have been an export version that is different or maybe the hp rating system is different. Hopefully someone here will know.

[Joel]

384hp.....why ?

Silencer fitted to the airbox......very restrictive but easily removed

Exhaust system different from US spec, restrictor aperture fitted in the sidepipe silencers, easily replaced by aftermarket system

ECU.......ignition significantly retarded.

Reasons for these differences from US spec........stringent european noise restrictions and low quality fuel

Joel

[Austrian Viper]

Thanks a lot Gen3Fan for the Info on the VIN ........so it´s a 99....cool

Thanks a lot to Joel, too......seems no big deal to change that !

Anyone now can let me know more about the ECU.....can that be programmed or do I need an other ECU (where to get? costs?)

I don´t see why I should stay with the 384 hp, when I can have 450.

I´ll need to programm the ECU somehow anyway when getting the SC...... but that may take a few moth of driving that I wanna use the 70more hp......

Where do I by the parts best (cold air box, exhaust, headers....)

I know all about Vette and Supra, but I´m too new on the Viper, so I appreciate all help I can get !!



BTW, Joel...low quality fuel in Europe?.........we have way better performing fuel (pumpgas) than there´s in the US....our shell v-Power is about 95 US-Octane rating and way cleaner .......but it´s 3 -4x the price, too
Well.....however......not too important on the Viper.......but way important for my Supra

[bulldog's]

I´m not sure but I guess that 384 is RWHP.
All European import Vipers are Chryslers... Sad but true.
Where you find that car? Mobile.de?

[Gen3Fan]

Actually, normally carfax gives you the make, model, year of the vehicle. In this case it does not. However, based on the export date the car should not be any newer than 99.

[VIPERRACING]

Dodge Name Brand Does Not Sell Well Oversea's And That Is Why They Use The Chrysler Name.

[Joel]

Actually Bulldog....thats not rwhp.....its crank horsepower, the euro motor is strangled.
And 92 fuel in the US is similar to UK ( and Euro ) 98 octane using a different rating display system...pump fuel in europe is Ron rating, in the US it is Ron+Mon/2
Air box restrictor is easy to remove and makes the biggest difference.

[bulldog's]

Joel, are you sure?
Because I have -94 european Chrysler RT/10 with 400hp.
My friend have -06 SRT-10 European version +500hp.
Finland and Germany versions isn´t strangled.
I´ll think those are same version all over the Europe.

[99 RT/10]

Hold on to your OLD PCM, and get another one from the states to bump up the car to where it should be. You can use any PCM from 1996-1999. Due to the engine change I would stay away from the 2000 and later PCms.

[Neil - UK]

Originally Posted by VIPERRACING

Dodge Name Brand Does Not Sell Well Oversea's And That Is Why They Use The Chrysler Name.

Dodge never bothered to setup dealerships in the UK, until 2006. Maybe because the majority of their vehicles are left hand drive and therefore a small market

They now share dealerships with Chrysler and sell Dodge vehicles from the same premises, and cover warranty with the usual dealer backup services

Joels euro restriction description is correct and well known

[Joel]

Originally Posted by bulldog's

Joel, are you sure?
Because I have -94 european Chrysler RT/10 with 400hp.
My friend have -06 SRT-10 European version +500hp.
Finland and Germany versions isn´t strangled.
I´ll think those are same version all over the Europe.

Bulldog, cant be sure if rest of Europe is the same, but in nanny state UK, the restrictor in the airbox decreases intake airflow by about as a rough guess about 40% (I threw mine in the bin) the exhaust sidepipes have a 45mm restrictor built in and the igntion retard is "large". I would be surprised if my 99 GTS when I bought it in 2001 even had 384hp. It felt more like an anaemic 350hp motor.

Dont think the Euro SRT's are restricted over US spec.

[Joel]

BTW, thats an anaemic 350hp just like Neils : ) : )

[Austrian Viper]

Originally Posted by Joel

Bulldog, cant be sure if rest of Europe is the same, but in nanny state UK, the restrictor in the airbox decreases intake airflow by about as a rough guess about 40% (I threw mine in the bin) the exhaust sidepipes have a 45mm restrictor built in and the igntion retard is "large". I would be surprised if my 99 GTS when I bought it in 2001 even had 384hp. It felt more like an anaemic 350hp motor.

Dont think the Euro SRT's are restricted over US spec.

No, the SRT 10`s are not restrictet....the RT 10`s were not, too.

Just the GTS, for any reason.......

350hp feeling...............wow, I need to change that ASAP then.....I am driving with my Supra now at 800hp on middle boost setting all the time..........and my Vette had 700hp too...................can´t stand 350 or 400 hp on the Viper for more than picking it up and driving it to my garage....to do some changes

So as it is a 99 Year Model, I´ll go pick it up next week !!

Thanks a lot to ALL OF YOU for helpin ge out on that !!!


BTW, is that braking without ABS really THAT bad?
I wanna race the car on Nürburgring a lot....and at that moment it will have about 700hp at least...........
I thought about putting some big rotors and an 8 piston kit on it...to have serious braking possibillities..........
But then ...as more as I read Viper Forums, the more I get scared about flatbraking tires and having big prblems with overbreaking .......

I plan to put on BF goodridge TA/KD´s if I find them in 345 (haven´t looked yet, if it´s available)...I like them on my Supra....very griggy........

I just would hate it to get a 99 and then would have been better to get a 2001 with ABS........