A piggyback fuel and timing controller is supposedly able to control a fuel injector within twice the size of stock. The VEC2 and the SplitSec, for example, should have zero problems according to the engineers.
I think that is cutting it close with the spit sec. You will probably never be able to trim the fuel at idle. They work my sending a modifed signal to the map sensor. with only a 5V resolution, You cant trim back 50# high impedence injectors enought for good A/F at low RPM and idle. The VEC 2 actaully alters injector pulse so you can control much better. I would say up to 600Hp Spit Sec, up to 800Hp Vec 2 and over 800 you really need an AEM. However you can do the Doug Leven trick to retain stock injectors and trigger two extra injectors to spray fuel under boost. It seems to work OK, but I was always concerned that the back cylinders ran lean and the front were rich as the add'l fuel needs to be carried in the air stream thru the intake manifold and would get sucked up by the forward cylinders. This would not show up on a wide band as the exhaust is mixed.
I think it is because i didnt get enough hugs as a child.
I am not taking sides here, but this thread in no way is going to support a positve outcome for either party involved. I think the approach is totally wrong. Now you have every expert coming out of the wood work to give their expert opinion on how the car should drive, but what do they really know. Then you have tuners coming on here trying tell everyone how smart they are. So lets turn this thread in to the circus show it is.
Kenny I think you need to be the one to go and test drive your own car. It's your car, everyone has their own opinion on how a car should drive, but in the end its going to be you that needs to be happy.
I think it is because i didnt get enough hugs as a child.
I am not taking sides here, but this thread in no way is going to support a positve outcome for either party involved. I think the approach is totally wrong. Now you have every expert coming out of the wood work to give their expert opinion on how the car should drive, but what do they really know. Then you have tuners coming on here trying tell everyone how smart they are. So lets turn this thread in to the circus show it is.
I might have to disagree with you on this. Lets just say that Kenny gets his car back the way it should be, weather it be the way a Roe car should run or the way he likes it, both parties actually benefited from this. People on this site will know that Larry did a good job of taking care of his customer and I am sure should that be the case, no one will think twice about sending their cars to Larry.
The Viper community is a very small one and positive or negative feedback from a customer is heard.
How do you think that UGR has so many Vipers in their garage? Same goes with Heffner and a few other Viper tuners here.
Just my 2 cents, but I think that everyone here is trying to help and you might be taking it the wrong way.
But what do I know, I never had hugs and kisses when I was a young lad either...
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Different. This car makes 800 lb ft. of torque and over 700rwhp w/o the usual timing advance of a VEC2.
BTW, I especially appreciate you thanking me personally for helping you work out the issues on Brians car. Anytime I can help, feel free to holler...
We had read the thread about that before you sent me the email. I had been waiting to get the car back to check and see if that ground was on there. Thanks for your input on it anyway. I was just trying to help out if your customer demanded a test driver. Sorry if it offended you. I will kick my self in the balls now! See you soon!
Benny, I have done 0 ROE BLOWERS. I have taken about 10 of them off customers car though. I don't like the design and the poor performance compared to the Paxton kit. We can take a stock GTS 96-99 and make 820+ rwhp on pump gas and over 900 rwhp on 110 octane. NO METH, NO NOS, NO PROPAIN! WE have taken that set up to the track with a stock engine, no headers or anything like that. Paxton, upgraded fuel system with shitty tires and went 9.75. To my knowledge no ROE car has went in the 9's EVEN with a full built motor. They have gone in the 9's with NOS etc.
I wanted to re tune my Viper from 854 rwhp @12 lbs to 15 lbs & some higher numbers. Larry was gracious enough to let us use his dyno on a Saturday. Doug Levins owner of DLM came up from Miami and did the tuning. Now maybe I can run some decent times thanks Larry for being there for the Viper community not only your own customers.
Being from the supercharger camp and hanging out with the Heffner crew makes me the understand the differences in the cars. If you are lucky enough to get Gary when he is in Florida in 2 weeks I would be happy to join him.
Gary is an extremely knowledgeable Viper addict and a dam good driver in my book. I have been to the track with him a few times and could attest to that. But then again you have so many Bennies out there who still think there civic is a fast car with the right driver.
Benny you get my nomination for the Alley of the month!!!
Talking about Bradenton I am more interested in another go around with the Viper nuts on the go-cart track. I think we had more laughs there and enjoyed the night
Roes have drivabilty issues as do spools, some tire combos, NO2, exhaust systems ( tones ) and paxtons. All have up and downs. So fuck him for doing enough homework. I still laugh at the post where someone was telling Kenny that he cannot cruise around town at 50MPH in 6th gear at 900 RPM without a bucking issues, or somthing like that. FM2C is that no matter what tuner touches Kenny's car, Kenny will not happy with it. That is sad because Larry actually cares about all of customers. What is really going on here Kenny? Do you want your money back or something? Wow.
test drive = good idea if Kenny does it. If he doesn't, then everyone has an opinion. This one is between Larry and Kenny. Who gives a rats-ass if XYZ person doesn't like the way the car drives? Kenny is the one who has to like it. If someone else drives it and reports that it isn't good, even if Kenny loved it, he will still be biased.
Larry's no idiot. if he drives a car and it bucks, then he'll notice. if it stalls, he'll notice. That is at least 2 opinions. Should we make it a f*cking democracy and let anyone drive it?
Or how about this: Someone else drives kenny's car and damages/wrecks it.... who is liable? This story smells like it could end this way... Kenny - if you are smart, don't let ANYONE drive the car other than you and Larry. If you do let someone else drive and sh*t happens, you have no one to blame but yourself.
I believe the whole idea of letting someone else drive the car (if Kenny can't) is to attest that the car is as drivable as possible for a Roe car pushed to the limits. Not weather of not it satisfies ones driving style, which are all different. There are some characteristics to built Roe cars that are just the nature of the beast. I'm willing to bet that all Roe cars have some degree of bucking and surging. I believe Kenny should get what he deserves, but he also has to realize what he was asking for. If he wanted an 800rwhp car that drove like a stock one, he should have went with an AEM equipped TT or Paxton.
LDM as well as the other camps are all PACKED with vipers and Macedo has MANY satisfied customers that can vouch for his quality and professionalism. I have news for some of you nut swingers, UR and Heffner are not the only tuners packed with vipers. If you visit these shops you will see that RSI, M2, Levin etc. are all packed. Its not even a question of his "positive feedback", LDM has always gone out of his way to take care of his customers. If you have been around vipers long enough, you would know this from way back when he was just a tech.
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