V4C - I take back all the bad things I've ever said about you. You hit the nail right on the head for this one!
Last year was the Chad + Heff show. TX was the Peter and RSI show. This year, will there be more than 10 cars show?
I hope so b/c I'd like to make the drive. But one never knows.
How many have pre-registered? Is there a hotel designated? it's been a while since the info was out there... who are the sponsors? what is the itinerary?
oh sure... you can tell me to go to Gary's web site... but i'm not that smart. dumb southerner. me need spoon fed.
JD
Apology accepted joe :bigsmile:
Well last year was not as well planned out as this years, and even then the event went off pretty well. Like Gary said, there's still more things in the works as far as planning and who's coming. I'm sure there will be a fair amount of "last minute showers" as well. Dont forget the invitation extends to other cars as well so i'd expect to see some Ford GT's there and possibly a few vettes.
All I know is The TX AM crew myself included certainly looking forward to it.
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Chad, you mean "Street cars" with a (speulie)spool and a solid bar in place of each rear shock?.........Cars whose rear ends do not squat one millimeter on the launch?
.........Cars with auotmatic transmissions without lockup converters and tiny brakes so that you can run the drag slicks?????????
Yep, that's one hell of a solid rear end street car buddy!
Since you seem, at least to yourself, to be infinitely knowledgeable in the area of everything it would be a real treat if you could come to Bradenton in December to show us amateurs how it's done. Please say that you'll come.
Where do you come up with some of this? Who would delete the rear shocks and substitute solid bars. Why would they do that and what in your opinion would be the advantage?
Also what is an auotmatic transmission? Is that something new that you have developed recently?
Itd be cool to see some of the FGT guys on here bring there cars! As far as i know none of them are running super high numbers hp wise to keep up with the bigdogs, but it would be fun to see what they would run with some minor mods.
Since you seem, at least to yourself, to be infinitely knowledgeable in the area of everything it would be a real treat if you could come to Bradenton in December to show us amateurs how it's done. Please say that you'll come.
Jason, it would be a real treat if you could reserve me a spot just in case I can make it.
You know drag racing is not really my thing.
I am going more for the 300 MPH thing at Bonneville.
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Where do you come up with some of this? Who would delete the rear shocks and substitute solid bars. Why would they do that and what in your opinion would be the advantage?
I am just making an observation from watching the video.
When the rear of Chad's car does not squat at all on the launch, you either put in solid bars(struts) or some crazy stiff springs/valving.
In any event, you made the IRS work like a solid axle.
I have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with people thinking the car had an IRS when it was acting more like a solid rear on the 7.99 pass.
You guys got it done and have the fastest TT Viper so far in the 1/4 mile congratulations.
I just had a slight problem with Chad saying his car is a street car with the solid rear end and nonlocked auto and so-on.
It's a race car, just admit it. It's cool. You guys built a great car.
Putting back inthe 6-speed, swapping the spool for the limited slip and putting back on the brakes that actually stop the car will definitely make it more driveable on the street.
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Also what is an auotmatic transmission? Is that something new that you have developed recently?
If that pedantic b/s is the best you can do, save it.
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Theoretically, 1725 rwhp can propel a 4700 lb Viper, preferrably a GTS, to just north of 310 mph. Just make sure you've got the proper tires and God Speed!
I am just making an observation from watching the video.
When the rear of Chad's car does not squat at all on the launch, you either put in solid bars(struts) or some crazy stiff springs/valving.
In any event, you made the IRS work like a solid axle.
I have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with people thinking the car had an IRS when it was acting more like a solid rear on the 7.99 pass.
All that makes no sense what so ever. Solid bars are not struts and there were no solid bars on that car. That is crazy to even think about. An IRS is an IRS is an IRS.....nothing is going to change that.....no matter how it "acts"
People think it had an IRS ??? Well, yea....hello...it had an IRS
You guys got it done and have the fastest TT Viper so far in the 1/4 mile congratulations.
Yes
I just had a slight problem with Chad saying his car is a street car with the solid rear end and nonlocked auto and so-on.
Lets go a step farther then and say a car without an overdrive is not street car. A lockup converter does not = an overdrive
It's a race car, just admit it. It's cool. You guys built a great car.
It is a race car....and a damn fast street car. Just depends on where it happens to be.
Putting back inthe 6-speed, swapping the spool for the limited slip and putting back on the brakes that actually stop the car will definitely make it more driveable on the street.
Brakes....ahmmm... no problem stopping the car at all. Plenty, plenty of room. I know this for a fact.....No one, nobody, none can dispute my word on this
Paolo, of course you're my buddy, but just in my usual way of pissing everybody off including everyone in Florida at some point I just have to disagree. How many cars have you driven with a spool. I have hundreds of miles. No big deal.
My previous question....when did overdrives and lock up converters start coming in cars ? Back in the "old days" we did not have these things....little did I know they were race cars...even that little 4 door six cylinder Maverick I drove MUST have been a race car because it was only a 1:1
Would you have a stroke if we were to debate a car that was actually a "marginal" street car ???
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Paolo, of course you're my buddy, but just in my usual way of pissing everybody off including everyone in Florida at some point I just have to disagree. How many cars have you driven with a spool. I have hundreds of miles. No big deal.
My previous question....when did overdrives and lock up converters start coming in cars ? Back in the "old days" we did not have these things....little did I know they were race cars...even that little 4 door six cylinder Maverick I drove MUST have been a race car because it was only a 1:1
Would you have a stroke if we were to debate a car that was actually a "marginal" street car ???
Tony, as long as you understand that I think the configuration of the car that went 7.99 is not a "Street Car" in the true sense of being closer to a stock car driving around like Ripper's or Dell's car,it's all good.
As far as I am concerned spooled cars that are automatic, non-overdriven and not locked up(yes, I am familiar with the fact overdrive and lockup are two separate entities) should be called race cars for the street.
I just thought it was inappropriate for Chad to bill his car in that configuration as a street car, that's all. Once all that stuff is swapped out it's much more fun and like a stock Viper to drive on the street.
One of the big benefits of a solid rear in drag racing is the fact that the alignment/tire contact patch does not change like an IRS whose camber changes as the rear suspension goes through its range of motion either compressing or extending.
On the launch a stock Vipers' IRS gets negative camber when the rear squats, which, with the stock alignment makes for less contact patch to launch.
I will reiterate that when the rear suspension does not squat at all on the launch it's acting more like a solid rear axle.
Theoretically, 1725 rwhp can propel a 4700 lb Viper, preferrably a GTS, to just north of 310 mph. Just make sure you've got the proper tires and God Speed!
Do you even understand what the difference between a solid axle and an independent rear suspension are?
What do shocks have to do with the axle? Even if we welded the control arms in place so that the suspension would not move, the car would still not be considered to have a solid rear axle. It would still be considered independent rear suspension, the suspension would be solid.
When a car has a solid rear axle it means that it has straight axle tubes affixed to the center section and straight or "solid" axles.
Here's a picture to help you grasp the concept a little better.
A car with a solid axle can still have rear suspension that moves up and down.
There is obviously a LOT that you don't know about drag racing, as you have openly admitted. With that said what would have given you the impression that it was a good idea to chime in and critique Chad's car?
Big Red will be a street car. When I put the small brakes, 15" wheels, and soften the settings on the shocks, it will still be a street car. IMO, if you can put a few hours into changing out a couple of parts and be able to drive the car in relative comfort in different ways (road trip, drag racing, road racing, etc) it is not a race car. Chad's car is a street car. I'm not saying that because we're friends, that's just the way I see it. The car is one afternoon away from being able to take a relatively comfortable trip somewhere. It still has all of the conveniences of a street car. I agree that SVS has a race car. It would take serious effort to get that car back to looking or feeling anything like a street car.
There is no doubt about it, this is a grey area and everyone will have different views, so this is mine.
Do you even understand what the difference between a solid axle and an independent rear suspension are?
Jason, I have a pretty good idea
What do shocks have to do with the axle?
The shocks not having any travel, however it's done, will make it that the IRS's alignment will not change on the launch.
That is my point. ==> If the suspension does not squat on the launch, it's acting more like the solid rear axle whose alignment does not change on the launch whether it has shocks that allow the suspension to travel or not.
Even if we welded the control arms in place so that the suspension would not move, the car would still not be considered to have a solid rear axle. It would still be considered independent rear suspension, the suspension would be solid.
I never said you had a solid rear suspension.
I said you made the independent rear suspension ACT more like a straight axle/solid rear end by not allowing the car to squat on the launch however you did it.
When a car has a solid rear axle it means that it has straight axle tubes affixed to the center section and straight or "solid" axles.
Good point.
When you lock out the suspension travel, you are essentially doing the same thing.
==> locking the IRS's compression makes the plane from the centerline of the center section's axles to the centerline of the hub constant just like the solid axle like you are describing.
You have the Mark Williams stuff in there with the CV joints and could probably run straight axle except for when the car would raise up out of the plane of the static(locked from compression) ride height.
Here's a picture to help you grasp the concept a little better.
Hey, thanks for the tip!
I appreciate it buddy!
A car with a solid axle can still have rear suspension that moves up and down.
I have adressed this earlier in this post.
There is obviously a LOT that you don't know about drag racing, as you have openly admitted.
Yep, do you know everything you will ever know about drag racing?
With that said what would have given you the impression that it was a good idea to chime in and critique Chad's car?
Well, this is an internet forum and people discuss things all the time in case you did not know it.
I have already stated that the only objection I had was that he was billing his 7.99 setup as a street car.
==> while it can surely be driven on the street, I would not call it a street car just because it has AC, a nice interior, and a "kickin' " stereo system.
I hope this clarifies a few things for you so you can better understand where I am coming from.
Big Red will be a street car. When I put the small brakes, 15" wheels, and soften the settings on the shocks, it will still be a street car. IMO, if you can put a few hours into changing out a couple of parts and be able to drive the car in relative comfort in different ways (road trip, drag racing, road racing, etc) it is not a race car. Chad's car is a street car. I'm not saying that because we're friends, that's just the way I see it. The car is one afternoon away from being able to take a relatively comfortable trip somewhere. It still has all of the conveniences of a street car. I agree that SVS has a race car. It would take serious effort to get that car back to looking or feeling anything like a street car.
There is no doubt about it, this is a grey area and everyone will have different views, so this is mine.
Good post...
Roofs Word record 6 speed is a street car as well that he has at home and drives on the street. It took one day to get the race trim removed. Spool which it didnt need to go 8.50s and let me think.... oh yea the chute and removed the race gas. We did remove the brakes after Florida last year but when it ran 8.50 it was on stock brakes with a 16" wheel on Aldens.
Big Red will be a street car. When I put the small brakes, 15" wheels, and soften the settings on the shocks, it will still be a street car. IMO, if you can put a few hours into changing out a couple of parts and be able to drive the car in relative comfort in different ways (road trip, drag racing, road racing, etc) it is not a race car. Chad's car is a street car. I'm not saying that because we're friends, that's just the way I see it. The car is one afternoon away from being able to take a relatively comfortable trip somewhere. It still has all of the conveniences of a street car. I agree that SVS has a race car. It would take serious effort to get that car back to looking or feeling anything like a street car.
There is no doubt about it, this is a grey area and everyone will have different views, so this is mine.
Gary, I agree with you 100%.
If the SVS car is a race car, so what. They can do more with things with their race car than any street car can do except take their girlfriend out to the restaurant without everybody having to turn their backs as she flashes her crotch to the world straddling the rollcage on her way out of the car.
I know because I have the exact same roll cage in my car from the same person that put theirs in.
The simple fix is to bring a blanket to cover her as she gets out!LOL!
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I just have to disagree. How many cars have you driven with a spool. I have hundreds of miles. No big deal.
