I REALLY FAIL TO SEE WHY PEOPLE SPEND MONEY ON PERFORMANCE CARS WHEN THEY COULD SEND DONATIONS TO THE ACLU.WHY DO THESE PEOPLE SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?
Norm, you're right, people who spend a lot of money on their RACE cars are such losers!
a spool and a solid bar in place of each rear shock.........Cars whose rear ends do not squat one millimeter on the launch.
.........Cars with auotmatic transmissions without lockup converters and tiny brakes so that you can run the drag slicks.
Chad's car is a race car, The SVS car is a race car, My car is a race car.
I fail to see how going "shockless" in a car helps at all.......sweet jesus, wow. You'd better talk to all the pit crews that work on campaigned seasoned drag cars. Taking out the rear suspension,....well....makes the car drive like it has NO suspension......You ever see a historical video of a Model T?
And I would not put Chad's car in the same catagory as SVS's. That is pretty obsurd if you ask me. Have you seen the two before? Hell I can even tell from pics that they nowhere near resemble anything close to each other.
I fail to see how going "shockless" in a car helps at all.......sweet jesus, wow. You'd better talk to all the pit crews that work on campaigned seasoned drag cars. Taking out the rear suspension,....well....makes the car drive like it has NO suspension......You ever see a historical video of a Model T?
And I would not put Chad's car in the same catagory as SVS's. That is pretty obsurd if you ask me. Have you seen the two before? Hell I can even tell from pics that they nowhere near resemble anything close to each other.
Yes, I would call your car a racecar.
Rollmodel, I respect what you consider a race car, but you are not informed about drag race rear suspensions. Let's leave it at that. I know what I saw on the video. Maybe you should take a closer look.
Funny cars and top fuel dragsters do not have shocks in the rear end either==> they have solid rear ends in every sense!
I have seen both cars in person.
They nowhere resemble anything close to each other because they are different where the turbos are mounted.
The essence of what they do and how they do it is more similar than I think you would like to believe.
I already complimented Chad's car for it's street car qualities.
SVS built their car to race.
Chad built his car to race and kept the AC and nice interior.
IMO they are both race cars.==>They are both non overdriven auto transmission cars without lockup converters with spools in the rear end with small brakes for the drag wheels.
Can you imagine driving one of those cars on the street with a 4500+RPM stall converter and no overdrive with a spool?
Sure Chads would be cooler inside and feel sweeter on your ass, but they would still be much less desireable than a nice 6-speed TT Viper with 1200+ RWHP and a limited slip differential.
Can you imagine driving the drag race setup on the roadcourse? I bet that would be a blast!
They are both well made, fast race cars with Chad's car being more refined interiorwise and set up better to run a 7.99 and pull the front end off the ground like it did.
I think this is a valid comparison. Do you really think it would be that hard for SVS to put a show car interior and AC in the car if they really wanted?
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I can imagine driving a car like that on a road course. In fact, i'm doing 2 days on a road course in Nov. Can't wait. the 3/4 mile straight going into turn 1 is by far the most fun i've had in a while. that straight was pretty fun in the supercharged car... can't wait to do it w/ the turbo!
I can imagine driving a car like that on a road course. In fact, i'm doing 2 days on a road course in Nov. Can't wait. the 3/4 mile straight going into turn 1 is by far the most fun i've had in a while. that straight was pretty fun in the supercharged car... can't wait to do it w/ the turbo!
JD
DO THEY ALLOW PARACHUTES ON ROAD COURSES? MAKE SURE YOUR BRAKES ARE GOOD TO GO WITH ALL THAT POWER!
we definitely ran coil over shocks all round on the 6 second door slammer. Dragsters don't need em because they weigh 1000lb+ less and run tires that grow so tall they are their own suspension... but if they hit a bump - they bounce and that can get a little hairy
I agree about many of the auto comments. The automatic was a tool used to get the first seven and came right back out. I didn't enjoy auto racing near as much but it served the purpose. It came out right away as the 6-speed is much more fun to drive around.
Let's be realistic, it takes Jason's guys a couple hours to switch back and forth. We're not talking irreversible, monumental changes here.
And again, Big P, please don't set up any cars for drag racing if you think the hot ticket is going shockless.
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Let's leave it at that. I know what I saw on the video. Maybe you should take a closer look.
IMO they are both race cars.==>They are both non overdriven auto transmission cars without lockup converters with spools in the rear end with small brakes for the drag wheels.
I'm trying to figure this out.....
You saw that Chad's car had no shocks from a video ???
While I "may" not have noticed driving the car with slicks and low air pressure....surely I would have noticed when the car was up in the air and I was under it. I believe you are wrong.....I just don't see any Viper or any race car working without shocks exept roadsters/rails etc.
Also, an overdrive and/or a lockup does not constitute a street car. When did cars start coming with overdrives ? When did lockup converters come around ? It hasn't been to many years has it ? Were all those cars built in the 70s/80s and before really race cars ? Spool on the street.....non issue....been there done that many times. Remember, some of the Viper "racecars" have an even higher gear in the rear too ....2.73 ????
In fact, recently I have driven a local owners Viper with a 5000+ stall and powerglide on the street (several times, about 100 miles) and while it's not your 80 mph cruiser, it is very streetable and actually was nice to drive not having to mess with shifting gears. Just nice and smooth.
There are what.....a million or so daily driven mustangs with the no overdrive/high stall/spool combo that are daily driven ?
My idea of the perfect street car is not one with ANY auto.....it is a Viper with a six speed that one would not think twice about jumping in and driving at least a 200 - 300 mile trip at cruising speeds. That said, it doesn't mean the others are not street cars. There are many, many car guys that think any car that is driven on the street is a street car....legal or not
Street car vs race car is an argument that has never been decided and never will be decided.
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You saw that Chad's car had no shocks from a video ???
Tony, that's what it looks like to me. The distance from the top of the rear tire to the rear wheel well opening did not change at all. The car's suspension in that area did not squat at all.
Don't worry, I 'm not saying it's bad or cheating or anything because it's not. It worked well and the car went very, very fast and was able to do that wheelstand which was awesome!
While I "may" not have noticed driving the car with slicks and low air pressure....surely I would have noticed when the car was up in the air and I was under it. I believe you are wrong.....I just don't see any Viper or any race car working without shocks exept roadsters/rails etc.
Also, an overdrive and/or a lockup does not constitute a street car. When did cars start coming with overdrives ? When did lockup converters come around ? It hasn't been to many years has it ? Were all those cars built in the 70s/80s and before really race cars ? Spool on the street.....non issue....been there done that many times. Remember, some of the Viper "racecars" have an even higher gear in the rear too ....2.73 ????
All I am saying is like Chad said, it is much more driveable on the street and well worth the wait for the few hours it takes to drop back in the 6-speed. What we're talking about here is the essence of race car vs street car==> I am sure there some people who drive back halfed 4-link rear suspension cars on the street all the time who consider it a street car
In fact, recently I have driven a local owners Viper with a 5000+ stall and powerglide on the street (several times, about 100 miles) and while it's not your 80 mph cruiser, it is very streetable and actually was nice to drive not having to mess with shifting gears. Just nice and smooth.
There are what.....a million or so daily driven mustangs with the no overdrive/high stall/spool combo that are daily driven ?
My idea of the perfect street car is not one with ANY auto.....it is a Viper with a six speed that one would not think twice about jumping in and driving at least a 200 - 300 mile trip at cruising speeds. That said, it doesn't mean the others are not street cars. There are many, many car guys that think any car that is driven on the street is a street car....legal or not
Street car vs race car is an argument that has never been decided and never will be decided.
Tony, I agree with you about never being able to come up with a definition upon which everybody agrees!
I agree about many of the auto comments. The automatic was a tool used to get the first seven and came right back out. I didn't enjoy auto racing near as much but it served the purpose. It came out right away as the 6-speed is much more fun to drive around.
Let's be realistic, it takes Jason's guys a couple hours to switch back and forth. We're not talking irreversible, monumental changes here.
And again, Big P, please don't set up any cars for drag racing if you think the hot ticket is going shockless.
Chad, I agree with you 100% here.
Reversibility to be able to drop back in a 6-speed so the car retains the way it can drive on the street and /or the road course is definitely a desireable attribute for a street/race car.
Don't worry buddy, I am not setting up any cars for drag racing!
we definitely ran coil over shocks all round on the 6 second door slammer. Dragsters don't need em because they weigh 1000lb+ less and run tires that grow so tall they are their own suspension... but if they hit a bump - they bounce and that can get a little hairy
Barry, didn't that Blue Thunder car have a 4-link rear suspension?
I can imagine driving a car like that on a road course. In fact, i'm doing 2 days on a road course in Nov. Can't wait. the 3/4 mile straight going into turn 1 is by far the most fun i've had in a while. that straight was pretty fun in the supercharged car... can't wait to do it w/ the turbo!
JD
Joe, your car is a blast on the road course with 1200 RWHP!
Let me clarify were I said:
"My idea of the perfect street car is not one with ANY auto"
That would apply to Vipers....many other cars came factory with an auto.
Notice too, I said "perfect" street car. Auto in a Viper doesn't mean it's not a street car too. Better route would be an overdrive though (and/or lock-up) I remember the first time I drove my Formula with the t-400 ..... kind of a weird feeling after driving it 23,000 street miles with the six speed. Although it was/is still a street car (9 sec) the usefulness wasn't as good. Thirty mile or so trip is fine but I wouldn't want to head to Atlanta (100 miles) in it.
There is a major difference in suspension of a door car and a dragster that has a special chassis that acts as the suspension. Although there are some chassis builders that are putting coils on their dragster chassis.The ideal suspension on a door car would be the four link,,for the adjustability. A solid tube chassis car and a cage would make for one hell of a rough ride with no suspension.
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