The statements made here suggest that I am lying while the officer admits he doesn't know the truth. How can he say I am lying if he himself hasn't even bothered to check his facts first?
Exactly! Getting defensive before checking the facts...
sounds alot like they are trying to hide instead of coming out and being truthful. Also they seem to be violating a few of the basic rules of the organization.
I guess if you have too swwet of a deal, you don't want anyone else to know about it
Mike,
Get your panties out of a bunch and read the post. Nobody is trying to cover anything up. Did you actually read my post?
"Anyone having issues with the VCA website, send me a PM and I'll make sure your issues are addressed. Jay does NOT MAKE $10K per year off the website...period. Now, exactly how much, I'm looking into. I believe that there should be no paid VCA positions whether formal or informal. I can't give you the full story now, but, I'm digging into it."
I'm looking into this issue, not that it matters to all you VCA lovers. I am looking into this matter to uncover the facts. Regardless of the outcome, you'd still bitch and moan. When I find the facts, I'll disclose them to concerned VCA members...of which I am one, that's why I'm digging into.
How hard is it to make a call and ask about a 1099 that would have been written a couple months ago?
I'm not complaining, I'm just using this as an example of how the good old boy network continues to support itself at the expense of its members. Payouts hidden as 'backup' costs so that not even the National officers are aware of the payments is almost a joke. How could you not know that someone was either being paid directly or was skimming off the top? Either way there has to be an accounting of the money, so the Treasurer should have the info at his fingertips.
Either way, I welcome the opportunity to be proven wrong as long as the record is set straight.
Supposedly, Jay "Ned Flanders" Herbert is being paid $37K a year to manage the VCA website
In Arkansas dollars, that makes him a friggin' millionaire. No wonder he won't give the job up. Hell at that salary, he might be able to piece together another Viper in 6 or 7 years.
Mike,
Get your panties out of a bunch and read the post. Nobody is trying to cover anything up. Did you actually read my post?
"Anyone having issues with the VCA website, send me a PM and I'll make sure your issues are addressed. Jay does NOT MAKE $10K per year off the website...period. Now, exactly how much, I'm looking into. I believe that there should be no paid VCA positions whether formal or informal. I can't give you the full story now, but, I'm digging into it."
I'm looking into this issue, not that it matters to all you VCA lovers. I am looking into this matter to uncover the facts. Regardless of the outcome, you'd still bitch and moan. When I find the facts, I'll disclose them to concerned VCA members...of which I am one, that's why I'm digging into.
DN
DN - HOW IS THAT DIGGING GOING? ARE YOU GETTING SOME STRAIGHT ANSWERS FROM THE VCA / JRT? IF SO THEN LET'S HEAR THEM. MY BET IS THAT YOU ARE AN HONEST GUY WHO WANTS THE VCA TO DO THE RIGHT THING - AND THAT THEY JACK YOU AROUND LIKE THEY DO ANY OTHER VCA MEMBER WHO ASKS THEM TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND OPEN ABOUT THEIR DEALINGS. EITHER WAY, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN SO FAR. THANKS!
I'm looking into this issue, not that it matters to all you VCA lovers.
DN
DN, there are quite a few of us on here that are in fact active members in our local chapters and even some officers. Not everyone here has been banned from the Morgue, we wear different hats depending on which site we post on.
So yes, it does matter to quite a number of people on this site.
If you're interested in what I've learned, call me and I'll let you know. I'm not interested in taking more heat by VCA haters by posting here.
The short story is that I've been promised a copy of the "agreement", been given a spot on the VCA website management committee and know exactly what Jay's been paid. I can't change what's happened in the past, but, I can and will influence what happens in the future.
I find it encouraging that you have been given the info which appears to confirm what I have been saying in regards to compensation for Jay that had previously been unknown to most members.
By the way, I do take exception to the 'VCA haters' remark; there are many members here who are active VCA members, officers and fans of the club. Sure we have some vocal critics who were booted from the VCA site with lifetime bans, but would you expect any less? The VCA treated some people very poorly which lead to this sites creation when they were told to start their own site if they didn't like it - you can hardly blame them for doing so and then being a little bitter after being banned for life.
Just don't lump everyone into the same category; some of the biggest VCA supporters are frequent contributors here.
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Mike,
Agreed, hence my posting here. My comment was more directed to the dog pile mentality members...of which there are plenty here and they're very aggressive. I've got no problem with sharing info to VCA members, however, to share info which is then used as ammo to discredit the VCA is not my intent. I apologize.
Based on the action of it in the past, I'd put that term as off mark. Some of the alley expected the VCA to be something that matched the car. Aggressive styled, and open.
Instead they found a closed, overbearing, club for a certain few. They also looked at the ROI and found there to be a mark difference. Lastly, those that spoke out were slapped or deleted.
What is being asked is a simple question that any organization that has a management is asked. The 'common' members are looking for a simple answer.
I think it's safe to say that the VCA does not want to discuss this; it's going to take someone forcing the issue in front of all the members for the truth to come out. The hypocrisy in the system is still very strong when it comes to hiding information like this from its officers and members.
As a club asset the members are entitled to a full accounting of the website and its income/expenses; especially those involving monies paid to VCA members. Anyone who is ‘paid’ should be held accountable for their performance.
Ummm... having just been involved in an e-commerce business, setting up a website, creating content, etc, etc, I have a realistic idea about how much time, cost and effort it might be. Anyone have an opinion on how much someone should get if they set up and operate a Viper site? (i.e. would you do it for that price?) Or is this sticky only debating the cloaked nature of how the combined Dodge Marketing and VCA membership money is spent?
The VCA is made up almost enitrely of volunteers; from the National Officers on down. How much is it worth to be a regional President or a national officer?
The point is that payments are being made to someone who holds no office and the payments to this person have been "hidden" from the membership (as have the terms of this arrangement).
The VCA has always represented the website as a revenue generator for the VCA, however, that description doesn't appear to be entirely accurate given the website operator has asked for all the money back for this years budget (claiming that it was their money to begin with).
I know for a fact that more than a few national officers were unaware that the web position was a paid one. I also know that virtually none of the membership was aware of this arrangement.
Let me ask you this - how much do you think the people who built this site were paid?
If I may summarize before answering (as there may a fault in my reasoning)
1) someone set up a website on their own
2) it became popular
3) a car company thought the traffic and audience matched its marque car club, to which it already provides subsidies
4) the car company has some stake in the site performance and quality, so it buys "continuity insurance" by making it a paying position.
Perhaps the VCA.org site is similar to J.R.Thompson publishing the quarterly magazine. Do you know if it is self-sustained or does Dodge pay them also? Obviously they aren't volunteers, hold no office, and unless someone does know, have a "hidden from members" arrangement.
Anyway, if you think being shielded from the arrangement is the point, maybe your questions will get answered. It doesn't sound like you think you've actually been lied to.
And lastly, to come to my point: It's become a commercial arrangement. People who set up ViperAlley spent money and time, but Dodge thought the other site was worth paying for.
