The dyno sheets I've seen (and I haven't seen many) have only shown 20 or 30 more rwhp out GEN 3s. They have larger diameter wheels with heavy run-flats and bigger rotors. That's a fair amount more rotating mass, and it's all levered out further from the hub. Maybe that accounts for more drive train loss of hp. The rear end and tranny gears are the same aren't they?
That would effectively give the GEN 3s a taller final ratio.
Magazines aren't really conclusive because I've seen GEN 2 0-60 times ranging from 3.8 to 4.5.
It should be enough that my car is prettier -- then again, if enough was enough, I suppose I never would have bought a viper in the first place.
Now, the thing is people can get a STOCK gen 2 to also get 11.7 in the QM and 0-60 in under 4.. So really these quoted numbers could be misleading..
I would guess the Gen 3's are a little faster overall.. but definitely not as much as one would think..
I would even go so far as to say that if all you care about is straightline speed and looks.. the Gen 2 would be a better bet right now than a Gen..
I think the problem is Vipers are just too damned fast.. so as Dodge tries to improve the brand it gets harder and harder to get them that much better without major overhaul on the engine.. I mean the Gen 3 should be noticeable faster than the Gen 2.. and it just doesn't seem to be the case..
Thats just how it goes man............as cars evolve and change they get better That doesn't mean I'm gonna go trade in my GTS for a SRT though! The SRT may not be much faster but it is still a bit faster stock for stock
Oh well ... I guess I must bow down to SRT. The cars are probably close enough that the best driver would win every time anyway. (Now I just need to become a better driver!)
key word being MAGAZINES. Look at weight, RWHP, etc... the SRT should be the faster car. I still think the GTS is really a strong contender next to the coupe though.
The dyno sheets I've seen (and I haven't seen many) have only shown 20 or 30 more rwhp out GEN 3s. They have larger diameter wheels with heavy run-flats and bigger rotors. That's a fair amount more rotating mass, and it's all levered out further from the hub.
The heavy run flats and rotors are on the car when it is on the dyno, right? True, the fronts aren't spinning but still...
Thats why Gen 3's have such impressive performance numbers by all the magazines, and track times accross the country.
Face it, Gen 2's have a faster 1/4 time posted by a magazine and by owners.
To top it all off the Gen 3 GTS's seem to be even slower than the srt-10's. I think the best magazine results I have seen were 12.3's.
If I'm not mistaken, the SRT-Cs are heavier than the SRT-10s. That's probably why they're not as quick acceleration wise. Top speed on the other hand, I haven't read any numbers for that, although I'm guessing the coupe could probably achieve higher numbers due to CD and etc.. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Face it, Gen 2's have a faster 1/4 time posted by a magazine and by owners.
Enjoy those magazines. Post again when you been an active participant or victim rather. The SRT is faster in the 1/4, only by a tenth or two, but faster nonetheless.
The heavy run flats and rotors are on the car when it is on the dyno, right? True, the fronts aren't spinning but still...
Yeah, and in the next sentence I said that maybe that's why the dyno numbers (the limited few that I've seen, so I could be off base) only show 20-30rwhp increases over the gts (despite the 50 or 60 claimed at the crank). Add to that the taller gearing due to bigger wheels, and the car's bottom end power could suffer -- 20 or 30 rwhp could be to little to late to make up for that. I'm totally guessing and speculating though. I think people assume that the srt is faster but I wasn't so sure.
Enjoy those magazines. Post again when you been an active participant or victim rather. The SRT is faster in the 1/4, only by a tenth or two, but faster nonetheless.
And on a track it will demolish a GenII.
Active participant of what?
I did say magazines and OWNERS.. No SRT has managed to even match a Gen 2's track time, fastest I have seen posted on any viper forum has been 11.7's, which is several tenths slower than gen 2's.
And if an SRT will DEMOLISH a gen 2 on the track please tell us just what track and track times. I dont know of any SRT's that managed to beat stock gen 2 times on a road course.
I did say magazines and OWNERS.. No SRT has managed to even match a Gen 2's track time, fastest I have seen posted on any viper forum has been 11.7's, which is several tenths slower than gen 2's.
And if an SRT will DEMOLISH a gen 2 on the track please tell us just what track and track times. I dont know of any SRT's that managed to beat stock gen 2 times on a road course.
I did say magazines and OWNERS.. No SRT has managed to even match a Gen 2's track time, fastest I have seen posted on any viper forum has been 11.7's, which is several tenths slower than gen 2's.
And if an SRT will DEMOLISH a gen 2 on the track please tell us just what track and track times. I dont know of any SRT's that managed to beat stock gen 2 times on a road course.
You're probably right. What would I know? This weekend I left Homestead's backstretch at 140mph, ripped a side sill completely off traveling sideways through 100 feet of kitty litter and now have an alignment diagnosed with Tourettes Syndrome.
But hey, if the magazines say the Gen II is faster then they must know what they are talking about.
You're probably right. What would I know? This weekend I left Homestead's backstretch at 140mph, ripped a side sill completely off traveling sideways through 100 feet of kitty litter and now have an alignment diagnosed with Tourettes Syndrome.
But hey, if the magazines say the Gen II is faster then they must know what they are talking about.
So true Chuck...But this douche was probably shitting at 1:40 PM with his Road and Track, ripped ass, blew shit sideways, stunk of kitty litter, and now is diagnosed with IBS. Moral to the story is....he knows what he is talking about
I did say magazines and OWNERS.. No SRT has managed to even match a Gen 2's track time, fastest I have seen posted on any viper forum has been 11.7's, which is several tenths slower than gen 2's.
And if an SRT will DEMOLISH a gen 2 on the track please tell us just what track and track times. I dont know of any SRT's that managed to beat stock gen 2 times on a road course.
Do you even own a viper? One that isn't the 1:18 scale
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That doesn't mean I'm gonna go trade in my GTS for a SRT though! The SRT may not be much faster but it is still a bit faster stock for stock
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