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Old June 10th, 2005, 01:54 PM   #1
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Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

About a year ago there was another shop that designed a twin turbo system for a Viper SRT. It was a relatively poor design by comparison. It required cutting of the hood for intercooler plumbing, oil pumps to get the oil from the turbos back into the engine and had a few other unsatisfactory characteristics. Back in December we brought one of our twin turbo SRT's to Bradenton for the V10 Nationals and the guys from this other shop couldn't help but take note of whatever information and design they could gather from our turbo car. A few months later this shop proudly released it's newly redesigned turbo system and lo and behold, it looked a lot like mine. I thought this was rather pathetic at first but didn't make a big deal out of it because I figured, well, maybe I should be flattered. They must have thought to themselves "we already tried coming up with our own ideas and it just wasn't as nice as this one so why don't we just take a shortcut and copy it". They say imitation is the best form of flattery.

Now we are a few months down the road and this other shop got a GTS twin turbo system together. I thought "good for them". That is until I saw a picture of it. I'll be damned if they didn't take the same despicable low road and try to imitate our turbo system AGAIN.

I fully understand that there are only so many ways to "skin a cat" but come on. As a reputable tuner I would be outright embarrassed to be caught attempting to duplicate what someone else has done. Could someone please explain to me the mindset that is present when doing something like this? I guess this fits in the same category as Alfine car stereos and Brolex watches.

Maybe if imitation really is the greatest form of flattery I should just say.........thanks?
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:00 PM   #2
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Re: Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

We face this all the time Jason, just part of what comes with the territory. It does suck majorly though.

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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:04 PM   #3
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Re: Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

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They say imitation is the best form of flattery.



This is so true....

Jason ,

All that matters is who is setting records and who is building a class-act
operation and Quality Built Cars .

Ask anyone who is a enthusiast..

Heffners Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:08 PM   #4
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Re: Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

You mean Romex watches. You just have to ask yourself, how long will that Romex last? Is it really worth it? Probably not.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:09 PM   #5
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It's happens the best of us.

Don't sweat it. Think of it this way....by the time they copy your current system...you are working on and releasing the next. Always keep one step ahead and never look back.


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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #6
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Re: Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

You know if only they would give credit where it is due, however then they would have to admit their short comings as a qualified innovative tuner!

It sux, but i'll be coming to get my Twin Turbo system installed and tuned through you and im sure others if they are smart will have to decide if they want to get a state of the art, proven record breaking system or a Smeffner knock-off
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:29 PM   #7
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Re: Why figure it out for yourself when you can copy what someone else has done

I know what you mean Jason

I hate it when people install roofs that look like mine
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:34 PM   #8
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:38 PM   #9
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I know what you mean Jason

I hate it when people install roofs that look like mine
I'm glad you can relate.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:03 PM   #10
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Ah Crap! Now I'm out the 400 Dollars for my Brolex that I bought offa 5th Avenue from my reputable Street Watch Vendor who told my mine was a limited edition!! I guess I shoulda caught on with the Fisher Price markings in back!!

Jason,

NoOne forgets who led the revolution to the early early 8's. It was you. No One will forget that fact when you break into the 7's either.



Your quality will not be denied nor overlooked.

Cheers,

Jay K.

Now who could hook this brothah up with another fine Brolex?...

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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:12 PM   #11
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Get some patents!
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:16 PM   #12
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Nature of the business... So it was with N/A, then S/C now Turbos.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:19 PM   #13
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Get some patents!
I was thinking the same thing. Is this possible?
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:27 PM   #14
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How about a name of the dirty rat here? Do I need to go to Deep Throat on this one? I and others don't want to draw an incorrect conclusion.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #15
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Don't sweat it Jason. Just keep doing what you are doing! Keeping your customers happy is what's most important. And you do that like no other! :thumb:

You just have to know who you can FLASH your TTs too and who you can't!!
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM   #16
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You just have to know who you can FLASH your TTs to and who you can't!!
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 03:46 PM   #17
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Consider this: those of us who've followed the story for awhile here will be ordering from you when it comes time to TT our cars.

I know I will!
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