GO for a ride in a QC that has the flash and you won't need any more convincing. The flash will really wake up the truck. You know how the motor really SCREAMS in the upper rpms?? It'll start doing that much earlier in the powerband with the flash. The flash will also reduce some of the torque management on take off too, putting more power to the ground sooner.
Install is peice of cake, just a few screws. Flash should run $300/$400 and a new pcm will run $500/$600. X-Metal, DC Performance or BG Chrysler all make Stage II flashes.
i hated my truck when i first bought it.....very disappointing performance for 500hp...after the flash I loved the truck....smoke the tires in 1st and get a nice spin into second....the shift points are so much more precise post flash...
well worth the price of admission.
buy a entire new pcm so you can swap them off for warranty work
i hated my truck when i first bought it.....very disappointing performance for 500hp...after the flash I loved the truck....smoke the tires in 1st and get a nice spin into second....the shift points are so much more precise post flash...
well worth the price of admission.
buy a entire new pcm so you can swap them off for warranty work
I'll call DC PERFORMANCE today and try it for my QC. If it doesn't work, I'll start a thread and bitch about it.
I've been wanting to try it anyway.
I called DCPERFORMANCE and the programing will $600 and $510 for a new PCM and $58 for a thermostat. Hmmm, $1200 bucks for 60 ponies, cheap when you think about other options and the cost per HP. 3 day turn around so I will know shortly, Thanks again.
I called DCPERFORMANCE and the programing will $600 and $510 for a new PCM and $58 for a thermostat. Hmmm, $1200 bucks for 60 ponies, cheap when you think about other options and the cost per HP. 3 day turn around so I will know shortly, Thanks again.
The prices must have went up, I paid DC 600 for the flash and 300 for the new PCM, it was 100% worth the money, made this truck run the way it should have from factory, and the numbers are consistantly around 80hp and 100ft lbs of TQ.
I went from getting walked on by my folks SRT-8 Charger, to pulling it by 1.5- 2 full truck lenghts in a 1/4 mile. That was when my truck only had 900 miles on it. With 3100 on it now, it is starting to break in..
I've also heard of several trannies going south possibly due to this mod as torque management goes out the window, and lastly from someone who dynoed their truck that they had a 5hp net hp gain and 50 tq from the pcm upgrade. Just the flip side of the coin, to put things in perspective. If you only get a 5hp gain.. and a compromised transmission then $1200 seems like a heck of a lot.
The prices must have went up, I paid DC 600 for the flash and 300 for the new PCM, it was 100% worth the money, made this truck run the way it should have from factory, and the numbers are consistantly around 80hp and 100ft lbs of TQ.
I went from getting walked on by my folks SRT-8 Charger, to pulling it by 1.5- 2 full truck lenghts in a 1/4 mile. That was when my truck only had 900 miles on it. With 3100 on it now, it is starting to break in..
Again, it is worth the money on a QC!
Hey Dan Said he could Get 80 hp On 100 Octane on the flash. Thats pretty good. So what kind of tune do you have, 60 hp for 93? So easily beat srt 8 chargers? Does it put you back in the seat?
I've also heard of several trannies going south possibly due to this mod as torque management goes out the window, and lastly from someone who dynoed their truck that they had a 5hp net hp gain and 50 tq from the pcm upgrade. Just the flip side of the coin, to put things in perspective. If you only get a 5hp gain.. and a compromised transmission then $1200 seems like a heck of a lot.
Dude Torque Managemnet has nothing to do with Trannies going south or Burning out. It was Only their For the tranny because of Towing applications. Actually Racing is about 100% safer on the transmission than towing. remember the torque management was their only beacause of the tow. This tranny is able to handle 550 at the wheels.
Dude Torque Managemnet has nothing to do with Trannies going south or Burning out. It was Only their For the tranny because of Towing applications. Actually Racing is about 100% safer on the transmission than towing. remember the torque management was their only beacause of the tow. This tranny is able to handle 550 at the wheels.
Really? have some literature to back this up? Other truck owner's input is that it is to keep trannies from going south as the auto seems to be the weak spot in the QC drivetrain. There is no way i can buy that racing is 100% safer than towing. (Oh ya it's on page 23 of the user manual..) Got any snake oil for sale? buying bridges too!
Hey Dan Said he could Get 80 hp On 100 Octane on the flash. Thats pretty good. So what kind of tune do you have, 60 hp for 93? So easily beat srt 8 chargers? Does it put you back in the seat?
Mine is the 80/100, tune for 91 as we do not have 93 up here.. I would not say "easily" it will pull and hold about 1-2 lengths depending on launch up until about 100 where the brick is starting to push the air, I can hold him off to about 110-115 mph where they will start to walk away.. Before the exhaust and flash he would walk me from the start and have me by 4+ lengths at 100..
Mine is the 80/100, tune for 91 as we do not have 93 up here.. I would not say "easily" it will pull and hold about 1-2 lengths depending on launch up until about 100 where the brick is starting to push the air, I can hold him off to about 110-115 mph where they will start to walk away.. Before the exhaust and flash he would walk me from the start and have me by 4+ lengths at 100..
Wait you have 80/100?? You Mean you do have 80 hp with the flash or not? I think you have 60 hp for 91octane. I will have 100 hp Including K and N Cold air. I still understand why the srt 8 charger will pull after 115? I think with my tune they won't stand a chance. So your saying A srt 8 charger Is just as fast as a C6 corvette?
Its all power to weight right?
Really? have some literature to back this up? Other truck owner's input is that it is to keep trannies from going south as the auto seems to be the weak spot in the QC drivetrain. There is no way i can buy that racing is 100% safer than towing. (Oh ya it's on page 23 of the user manual..) Got any snake oil for sale? buying bridges too!
Look All I can say Dan Cragin I the best on Vipers. He said the torque management was for towing. It would prevent it from overheating if you were to tow. So What I mean Is if you get rid of the tq management and start towing than you will have problems with the tranny for sure. I didn't say that racing will not harm it. I said was that if you race with it it will put way less harm as if you were towing. By the way I Checked with a transmission shop also. So I would trust Dan At Dc For all of his advice. I mean he's been doing this for 15 years as a viper specialists.
1. you're not going to get 80/100 hp out of the flash. Noone else who's bought has gained that much. That's a best case, ideal conditions, manipulated dyno advertisement.
2. you're not going to get another 20hp from a K&N CAI. In the real world, NOONE that I've seen (and I've seen a few) has gained more than 10 rwhp from a CAI. Again that's best case scenario with someone who knows how to make a dyno show gains.
Get before and after dyno runs with these 2 mods. Then bring your sheets back to this thread and post them up.
1. you're not going to get 80/100 hp out of the flash. Noone else who's bought has gained that much. That's a best case, ideal conditions, manipulated dyno advertisement.
2. you're not going to get another 20hp from a K&N CAI. In the real world, NOONE that I've seen (and I've seen a few) has gained more than 10 rwhp from a CAI. Again that's best case scenario with someone who knows how to make a dyno show gains.
Get before and after dyno runs with these 2 mods. Then bring your sheets back to this thread and post them up.
So let me put it this way Mr viper truck what will I get than???
So your saying Their is no such thing as super advancing the timing to get 80 hp or more?? Let me know.
The flash will really wake up the truck. You know how the motor really SCREAMS in the upper rpms?? It'll start doing that much earlier in the powerband with the flash. The flash will also reduce some of the torque management on take off too, putting more power to the ground sooner. 
