Yo- Tony has his own style and that's cool.It's just not a style that work's on this board.(the poll proves that)Maybe there's a board called- "Take it in the ass greek style or I'll beat your ass,it's all in good fun.com"
As for SupremeViperJudgingAsshole- If you don't like the way this board is run,then start your own,with your own rules and regulations.Once you do that let's see how it goes.I will be sure to visit your site and wish you all the best.Untill that happens please FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU MORON.Am I making myself clear ? Stand in the shadows and throw stones you FUCKING COWARD,oh and KISS MY ASS on the Court House Steps.
Next issue: What the F is up with Maxx ? I hate that "Trust me" bullshit. Trust What ??? The only mystery or inuendo here is being put up by you.If you've got something to say,then say it.
Will you please clarify your position? I'm not sure I understand it!
Yo- Tony has his own style and that's cool.It's just not a style that work's on this board.(the poll proves that)Maybe there's a board called- "Take it in the ass greek style or I'll beat your ass,it's all in good fun.com"
As for SupremeViperJudgingAsshole- If you don't like the way this board is run,then start your own,with your own rules and regulations.Once you do that let's see how it goes.I will be sure to visit your site and wish you all the best.Untill that happens please FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU MORON.Am I making myself clear ? Stand in the shadows and throw stones you FUCKING COWARD,oh and KISS MY ASS on the Court House Steps.
Next issue: What the F is up with Maxx ? I hate that "Trust me" bullshit. Trust What ??? The only mystery or inuendo here is being put up by you.If you've got something to say,then say it.
I guess the only thing missing from this bunch of bullshit is all the greek comments and shit. You must be sucking someone's COCK, as you are able to get away with being as vulgar as Yo-Tony....but everyone must like you. You don't like what I have to say.....TOUGH SHIT LOSER! Did I make you upset you faggoty butt licker? Clownshoe is right.....you stink and are all worn out. Why is it so hard to get into that PEA-BRAIN of yours that many here were SO against bannings...they flooded to the .com site. But that got too out of control so they back-pedaled and ended up wanting something with more structure....but I was always under the impression that bannings were taboo. Now, they have gone full circle-jerk and have "cooling off periods" (sounds familiar), and bannings, all premised on a democratic process of voting??? In another thread you can see how many people CAN actually vote....which is minimal. It comes down to "if you are not LIKED you can be voted out of the sandbox". I guess if that is what our foundering fathers want, a little niche of their/your own...without anyone having a differing opinion (again, sounds familiar), then so be it. To bad you can't just accept what I wrote without getting your panties in a bunch. Maybe when I get enough posts I can start a poll to change your username to simply CLOWN....GOD knows it fits you!
I'll go ahead and support Yo-Tony by saying this:
Why don't you bend over the back of your pansy-ass Viper and take it GREEK style, we know you love it!
Clearly the humor of using the term "cooling off period" was lost on SJ.
We watched as a board went from light moderation to heavy moderation and didnt like it. We tried to the "no moderated" way and it sucked and was over-run with Trolls.
The idea was to create something in the middle. Growing pains aside, the continuing debate here is how to deal with people who seem to have no other purpose than to drag the board down. In this case with personal attacks on other board members (including threats of violence) and continued harassment of members and women on the board.
Banning has always been considered an option of last resort and something only used in one other instance. You act as if this is something done commonly. The difference here is that the people of the board are involved in the decision - the debate - and ultimately the outcome.
If you cannot see the difference between the sites, then you are simply focusing on narrow topics to make your own point.
I ran defense for Tony on several occasions. I spoke out against a banning poll and I convinced the others to hold off on supporting any such action as I was talking with Tony about his actions on the board. On at least three occasions I thought we had worked out a compromise where the personal attacks, the threat of violence and the vulgarity towards the women on the board would be scaled back. Each time he relaxed for a couple days before starting right back in.
It's easy to throw stones when you can pick and choose your topics of debate - especially when you can warp the context to suit your needs. But you are failing to take the process as a whole into account and coming across as nothing more than a whiner.
Yes, this is a "sandbox" - one made up of people who dont care for the other options available. If you dont like this option - why bother with it? You have other choices, right? If the people here find another site that better suits their needs, you can bet in a heartbeat they will be there. We may not keep everyone 100% happy; but at least we are trying by working on ways to make as many people a part of the process as possible.
Maybe instead of complaining about everything - work within the system to make it better. I have yet to see any suggestions or offers of help from you in that regard.
When you are on the Corvette Forum you can't swear. No cuss words at all. There is a script that catched "Fuck You" and turns it into "Love You" or something like that. Can we ban someone from using profane language? Can you make it so that certain people are not allowed to swear? But not everyone?
Personally, I dont mind swearing. However, there are times when excessive use get just downright offensive - such as the repeated suggestion that someone bend over so he can fuck them in the ass. Once, funny (maybe). But 100 times? Not.
The difference with this board and the DotCom site was be afford the members the ability to say "enough is enough".
Now, about the suggestion for selective monitoring. Yep, we could probably do that without too much trouble. I could make a group called "Probation" or something and anyone put into that group would have their words censored. (Good idea, by the way).
We also had the "Private Moderation" idea - maybe we should get some opinions as to which is better so I'm not writing features we dont need/use.
I believe in simplicity. The site is working fine for the vast majority of folks here. All these "interim" status states ("private moderation, probation, selective moderation") are appropriate for dealing with children....not adults. Such interim status would also require a fair amount of attention by various mods which is a PITA. It is NOT like people are being banned everyday. And, as has been represented, anyone "near" to being up for a banning poll has been contacted (begged, cajoled and warned) along the way; enough so that a MINOR change of tactics would likely end any serious thoughts of banning.
I truly believe that anyone and everyone that winds up being nominated and seconded for a banning poll is looking for any site attention associated with a banning and/or wanting (or at least willing) to be banned.
Be responsible and (barely) enlightened in dealing with others (that is NOT to say don't disagree...just disagree with SOME modicum of civility) and we've got a great sandbox.
i agree in what all the other previous posters have said (citysnake, packetjunkie).
Now, You have my attention. What do you suggest we do to keep this board civilized?
Personally I don't mind if people are cursing, but there is a fine line between general cursing and "the heat of the moment" vs. personal attacks.
What is your recipie for success if you could change anything? Are you suggesting that badvenoms sudden outbursts and barrage of cursing, innuendos and gutter talk of targeted members of this board is something that comes with the territory and it should be tolerated?
I am for freedom of speach but that privilegie comes with certain obligations and they do extend even into the relative anonymity of the internet (and an internet persona). This is our way of enforcing civility and making rules that reflects what the members of this board wants out of this board. I think it's been working pretty good with some minor mistakes here and there.
Im in 100% agreement with citysnake here. In regards to the insinuations of hippocracy to banning procedures, what we do here is not even close to the morgue. We poll members, our peers on whether or not someone should be banned. Their decision is what is implemented. It is not a unilateral hidden decision by "officers" with questionable motives. Many times there have been requests for bannings, and it hasnt happened. Its a fair process that works. Our product is not the chaos supplied by the dotcom website. Nor is it the gestapo nazi ways of the other site. Its a "happy medium" somewhere in between. Thats our value proposition. Its what has worked. Its why we are here, and I like it.
In regards to the insinuations of hippocracy to banning procedures, what we do here is not even close to the morgue. We poll members, our peers on whether or not someone should be banned. Their decision is what is implemented. It is not a unilateral hidden decision by "officers" with questionable motives. ... Its a fair process that works. Our product is not the chaos supplied by the dotcom website. Nor is it the gestapo nazi ways of the other site. ... Its why we are here, and I like it.
Right on Smoke! The biggest difference between the Alley and the morgue, is that these issues are debated up-front and on-line for everyone to see and speak their minds. We don't just cater to "card-carrying" members, (one post, one vote) we place some premium on the members' contribution to the vitality of the site. That works both ways, though. If you contribute to the degeneration of the site, you will be judged by the active members. You may be censured, or excommunicated.
SV, you've got no solutions only complaints. And you use vulgarity as willingly as anyone, so you've got no moral high ground to preach from.
It's the same old "You guys are hypocrites." saw that we've heard a million times. You don't say it straight out, but you're implying it. We left .morgue because of bannings and yet here we are banning. That's pretty simplistic don't you think? Either you don't realize that's not why we left or you do and you're not being honest in the interest of making an antagonistic point. For the gazillionth time, we left .morgue because we were unhappy with lack of representation in how the board was run. That unhappiness and the futility of trying to change their system resulted in a rebellion in which they did rightly ban us according to their rules. It's just that we totally disagreed with their rules, were unable to change them and so we basically asked for it on our way out.
How is that in any way similar to what we have here? let me ask you this ... on .morgue did you ever see moderators discussing their thought processes regarding bannings right out in the open in public where the rest of the members could see what was going on? Did you ever get to vote on who went and who stayed? I'll tell you for sure that nothing that happened yesterday went on behind the scenes in the Mod Talk forum. It all happened right out in front of you. I instigated the banning of BADVENOM, but I published exactly why I thought it was warranted and provided the history of the issue for anyone who wasn't familiar. And after that point, my involvement was zero - meaning that it came down to a vote of the membership.
So what are you ranting about? That it's a sandbox? WTF is that supposed to mean? That it's a group of people who generally like each other, get along, are friends to one degree or another and have common interests? Well fucking DUHHH! ... of course it is! It's an internet message board pal, not a nation. It's run by membership opinion not according to some Solomonic constitution layed down by "foundering fathers" as you put it.
What you are really griping about is that you don't like the prevailing majority opinion here, and so you prop yourself as some kind of noble oppressed minority. What part of "majority rules" don't you understand? A minority opinion one day can turn out to be a majority view the next. Do what you can and use what skills you've got to sway people to your side. Why should I or anybody else here apologize for having molded this environment to suit our tastes? Yes - guilty. It's exactly the way a bunch of us wanted it. So what? The good thing is that we tried to be fair and democratic about how it's run, which means that you have the opportunity to change it as much as anyone else does. As much as I do. As much as ClownShoe does.
If this place doesn't suit your tastes then find like-minded voters and change it. But stop bitching about being the oppressed minority ... That's just self-indulgent bullshit.
What part of "majority rules" don't you understand? A minority opinion one day can turn out to be a majority view the next. Do what you can and use what skills you've got to sway people to your side.
Excellent post Eric! This board majority rules thing does work. My motion about required number of posts is a cuurent example of that. After explaining my reasoning behind wanting to lower the number required, this motion is currently passing. VJ, if you don't like something about this board either motion for a change or find another sandbox!
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Well said, Eric. I think one thing that is obvious is that nothing here is set in stone (well, almost nothing). Open discussions are encouraged and rules can be changed. Thats a big difference from the other sites.
What part of "majority rules" don't you understand? A minority opinion one day can turn out to be a majority view the next. Do what you can and use what skills you've got to sway people to your side.
Excellent post Eric! This board majority rules thing does work. My motion about required number of posts is a cuurent example of that. After explaining my reasoning behind wanting to lower the number required, this motion is currently passing. VJ, if you don't like something about this board either motion for a change or find another sandbox!
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And barbara, I do believe your motion passed. Im going to close the poll now, it has run its course. You should be able to vote as soon as MP updates the code!
Don't mind me....just as so many of you I feel the need to let loose at times. I have my views...and poor litlte CLOWNSHO has to get personal? I don't think there are many of my few posts that are personal in nature, more observations that some insecure person/persons has/have taken personal. There is a mature way, as seen above, to comment on my position, why not leave it at that?
ALl good and valid point, to say the least, Par, Eric, and in theory a good way to approach things. Sorry if I think it is a bit much to ban Yo-Tony as I KNOW there are other avenues. Yes, it can get to be a PITA to have to "baby-sit" in a maner of speaking, but there are alternatives.
But, at the same time, I also do not think it is too much to ask that we all act like adults (since that is what most of us are), and there should be a certain level of respect for that.
If my views differ from yours, any of you, so be it.
