Very lame, Big Scrub. Lets concentrate on my vette vs. yours, since the Vipers are obviously in another class. My '68 vette looks far better, is faster, handles better, has better brakes and has much better paint than your Z06. How the hell can this be, when it is 40 years older? Impossible! Or is it? The fact is, this vette is heavily modified and extremely desirable, unlike your common, ugly duck. I have already received several offers of near 100k for it but declined. I am not going to sell it but estimate that it is worth about 150k or more. While my '68 will continue to rise in value, yours will continue to sink. Are you willing to come to terms with this and more importantly, have you considered my offers of employment to you? Let me know soon or I'll just cut the grass, myself.
Sorry but your Cross fire injected 82' 185 hp vette isn't worth the storage cost. Nobody wants one of those not even vette guys. Maybe you could make me an offer to take it off your hands and tow it to the yard. I have a C3 myself and know for damn sure it won't out handle a new Z. I don't care if you put the body on an indy car. Unless you have a secret ZL1 or a Baldwin motion that the world knows nothing about I'm not seeing the value. Last time I checked the original cars are the one that brought the money.
Sorry but your Cross fire injected 82' 185 hp vette isn't worth the storage cost. Nobody wants one of those not even vette guys. Maybe you could make me an offer to take it off your hands and tow it to the yard. I have a C3 myself and know for damn sure it won't out handle a new Z. I don't care if you put the body on an indy car. Unless you have a secret ZL1 or a Baldwin motion that the world knows nothing about I'm not seeing the value. Last time I checked the original cars are the one that brought the money.
I'm willing to bet that the '82 is a shitload nicer than your bomb C3. As far as C3's go, the '82 is the best of the lot. It may not be terribly fast but what stock C3 is? It is more refined than any other C3, by a good margin. I have the first and the last model of C3 vette and they are the best looking vettes made. My '68 will run circles around a stock Z06. It is lighter, more powerful and very far from stock. A stock C3 wouldn't have a chance and that is obvious.
By the way, the '82 vette does not have only 185hp but rather, a whopping 200hp/285 lb. ft. A ZL1 is worth over a mil, maybe over 2 mil. Please don't compare your low budget C3 to my '68, as you did. It's an insult.
I would like to see a carbon bodied Viper with Carbon ceramic brakes but with Chrysler loking at a grim financial situation I think the Halo car gets put on the back burner unfortunately.
Competition is what makes this such a great time for sports cars. With the new CAFE horseshit I don't see this lasting.
I couldn't agree more. A $125-150K viper with all those goodies, and a 2-4 inch wider body. Hopefully closer to 4 inches wider in rear.
I'm willing to bet that the '82 is a shitload nicer than your bomb C3. As far as C3's go, the '82 is the best of the lot. It may not be terribly fast but what stock C3 is? It is more refined than any other C3, by a good margin. I have the first and the last model of C3 vette and they are the best looking vettes made. My '68 will run circles around a stock Z06. It is lighter, more powerful and very far from stock. A stock C3 wouldn't have a chance and that is obvious.
By the way, the '82 vette does not have only 185hp but rather, a whopping 200hp/285 lb. ft. A ZL1 is worth over a mil, maybe over 2 mil. Please don't compare your low budget C3 to my '68, as you did. It's an insult.
Well mine is original and probably worth quite a bit more than yours. Besides what does Bloomington gold mean anyway? I'm sure there are many people fighting over hacked up "Highly Modified" rag.
As far as having the nicest 82' congrats. If your content having the nicest turd in the bowl, well mission complete. Please come back when you get a clue.
I agree on everything but on equivalent brakes, no way no how and question the areo. Guess we'll have to see....
That said, I'll take both.
You know that just because Carbon Ceramic brakes cost more, they won't necessarily work better than the stock Viper brakes (which outperformed Enzo brakes on stopping power while remaining fade free). These new ACR stoptech brakes are even better than the stock brakes and I highly doubt any meaningful difference is going to be seen from the two. The ACR's aero is on par with the Comp Coupe. The ZR1 is similar to a Z06....not really comparable.
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On a different note, working in the auto business close to Detroit you do find some interesting tidbits. Like some of the ZR1 mules that have been boosted in excess of 700 HP and run without failure. I have friends at the proving grounds that could show you some mind blowing data.
I also have a friend that's an engineer for a Tier 1 supplier that makes the valve springs for the Viper V-10. He's told me on a few occasions about them testing motors that can't go over 30 hours on an engine dyno. He cites rotating assembly failures keeping them from building a higher HP variant off the current motor.
Well, my friend worked at Chrysler too and told me most of their test engines had about 650-700 HP and they had some sit on a dyno at full power for 1000 hours, so I am not sure who to believe.
I will say that I bet the ZR1 motor is underrated. I bet its 650-675 crank HP in reality.
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Well mine is original and probably worth quite a bit more than yours. Besides what does Bloomington gold mean anyway? I'm sure there are many people fighting over hacked up "Highly Modified" rag.
As far as having the nicest 82' congrats. If your content having the nicest turd in the bowl, well mission complete. Please come back when you get a clue.
Yours is heavy, old looking and slow. Mine is state of the art modified and gorgeous. No matter where I take it, somebody wants to buy it. Yours is a dime a dozen and doesn't conjure up the emotion that mine does. Take your cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds and shove them up your ass, gaybird. You lose, I win. This is the way of nature and the will of god. Abide by it, nerd.
Decent article: 10.5 psi of boost in the new motor and 3 inch exhaust. I am not too sure how much power will be picked up with performance exhaust on this one. I know the Z06's like the long tube headers, but with a supercharger cam, they are probably gonna help a little less. The stock manifolds seem to be pretty decent in this app. They also said parasitic loss was about 80 HP on this car.
Regarding pulleys: "And for those of you who dream of swapping out the stock supercharger pulley to make like a billion horsepower, be aware that Meegan says, "We don't want people to do that. We have not made that easy."
Yours is heavy, old looking and slow. Mine is state of the art modified and gorgeous. No matter where I take it, somebody wants to buy it. Yours is a dime a dozen and doesn't conjure up the emotion that mine does. Take your cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds and shove them up your ass, gaybird. You lose, I win. This is the way of nature and the will of god. Abide by it, nerd.
Well if you are any indication of your car the only emotions would be homosexual.
You know that just because Carbon Ceramic brakes cost more, they won't necessarily work better than the stock Viper brakes (which outperformed Enzo brakes on stopping power while remaining fade free). These new ACR stoptech brakes are even better than the stock brakes and I highly doubt any meaningful difference is going to be seen from the two. The ACR's aero is on par with the Comp Coupe. The ZR1 is similar to a Z06....not really comparable.
Well perfomance being equal the unsprung weight advantage should be sizeable.
Like I said before I would just like to see a Carbon Viper with all the goodies and about 650 hp stock. So 130k viper should be able to pull that off. The motor isn't far from that now and with good use of carbon you could shave a few hundred pounds and have a smokin' fast car.
Well, my friend worked at Chrysler too and told me most of their test engines had about 650-700 HP and they had some sit on a dyno at full power for 1000 hours, so I am not sure who to believe.
I will say that I bet the ZR1 motor is underrated. I bet its 650-675 crank HP in reality.
Agree with the point on the ZR1.
I don't know of many places that run those kind of hours without periodic ramping up and down. I'd love to see an equal motor,power wise, come from dodge to keep everyone on their toes.
Well perfomance being equal the unsprung weight advantage should be sizeable.
Like I said before I would just like to see a Carbon Viper with all the goodies and about 650 hp stock. So 130k viper should be able to pull that off. The motor isn't far from that now and with good use of carbon you could shave a few hundred pounds and have a smokin' fast car.
Perhaps....the stoptechs are 1.5 inches smaller in diameter and don't really weigh that much. The ACR also has rediculously light, smaller wheels. I bet the unsprung weight advantage is minimal, if not actually better on the Viper. Also bear in mind that the bigger discs and wheels will add inertia making the engine do more work to accelerate the car as well as the brakes more power to stop it. I think the ACR has the biggest wheels you would want on a performance app...20 inches is too much.
I don't know of many places that run those kind of hours without periodic ramping up and down. I'd love to see an equal motor,power wise, come from dodge to keep everyone on their toes.
I meant full throttle....not full power. They would occassionally do acceleration sweeps and hold the engine at different RPM bands, but it was always at full throttle.
FYI, the Cummins TD engines have to do something crazy, like 10,000 hours straight.
Perhaps....the stoptechs are 1.5 inches smaller in diameter and don't really weigh that much. The ACR also has rediculously light, smaller wheels. I bet the unsprung weight advantage is minimal, if not actually better on the Viper. Also bear in mind that the bigger discs and wheels will add inertia making the engine do more work to accelerate the car as well as the brakes more power to stop it. I think the ACR has the biggest wheels you would want on a performance app...20 inches is too much.
I'm with you on the wheel size. 18'' is about as far as I would want to go. The brakse are insane light though. I would be surprised if the discs were much more than 5 lbs. The rotors I run on my race car are around 20 lbs. I would be interested in seeing a comparison with the ACR bits.
When all the specs are out on the car we'll see what the wheels weigh. I like the style alot but they look like they're pretty heavy. Hopefully John Purner has something in store to help that out. I believe he made the wheels on the mule or at least the red one.
