Chevy needs to fire everyone who is associated with the C4, C5 and C6 and bring back a '69 looking vette. My '68 vette, with flares, stripes, etc. makes a new Z06 look like a UPS truck. If they made the ZR1 look as good as a '69 vette, I'd be on top of that shit like a negro on a blackout.
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Chevy needs to fire everyone who is associated with the C5 and C6 and bring back a '69 looking vette. My '68 vette, with flares, stripes, etc. makes a new Z06 look like a UPS truck. If they made the ZR1 look as good as a '69 vette, I'd be on top of that shit like a negro on a blackout.
Almost completely agree. Anything after '82 is a bOOring doorjamb. Back in the '70s I used to look forward to the redesign every three to five years coming out of Chevy for the Corvette. Now, not so much.
Yippee its a pic of an engine. So what! As far as I am concerned it is results that matter. So they added a supercharger to their engine, how much weight is that going to add to the base weight of the car.
Mopar already stated that they could easily bump the 600hp new V10 to 675hp with minor tweaking. I wouldnt be surprised to see that happen for the 2009 model.
To be perfectly honest I already see Gm loosing because they have gone to forced induction to make more power. Viper is still N/A which really is a different category. Compare a supercharged Viper to a supercharged Vette and who wins? How about we up that to a Twin Turbo Viper!
I totally agree about the older Vette's looking so much nicer. My dad has a 1981 parked next to my 02 Viper and both cars look awesome. Of course his 1981 has no balls under the hood, but it is still a nice looking car.
I totally agree about the older Vette's looking so much nicer. My dad has a 1981 parked next to my 02 Viper and both cars look awesome. Of course his 1981 has no balls under the hood, but it is still a nice looking car.
The '81 might not have the balls because of what auto manufacturers were dealing with at the time, but now they have the balls but look like shit. Sorry, but the current corvette looks like a bunny rabbit compared to the Viper. A properly set up '69 vette is awesome looking. My '68 is almost finished in the body shop and I'll post pics up soon, when it is. It literally makes a Z06 look lame as hell. I have already kicked the piss out of a Z06 with it, before it went into the shop. So what does the Z06 have to offer? The ZR1 must look better than the current toad.
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To be perfectly honest I already see Gm loosing because they have gone to forced induction to make more power. Viper is still N/A which really is a different category. Compare a supercharged Viper to a supercharged Vette and who wins? How about we up that to a Twin Turbo Viper!
Well as much as I love Vipers and their powerhouse V10's a SC'd 6.2L V8 doesn't seem to be cheating compared to a 8.4L V10 IMO.
That'd be awesome if dodge whipped out a TT viper from the factory. BPU upgrades anyone?
If the car is going to cost over 100k and all we care about is performance, then just buy one of the many TT vipers for sale for under 100 and run over whatever you want. I'd rather a car have a lower entry price with more potential for upgrades (like the viper) than a car being pushed from the factory and then paying even more to keep up. Who gives a shit how it comes from the factory? It's what you can do with it afterwords.
I think it would be great if they made this. Think how many unassuming vette owners would automatically assume they could run over ANY viper, simply because it came from the factory with more power.
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I don't think for a second that this picture just "leaked out". I am sure that it was intended to slow some of the interest that Chrysler has enjoyed since the introduction of the ACR.
Well as much as I love Vipers and their powerhouse V10's a SC'd 6.2L V8 doesn't seem to be cheating compared to a 8.4L V10 IMO.
That'd be awesome if dodge whipped out a TT viper from the factory. BPU upgrades anyone?
I wouldn't call it cheating but I would definitely call it weak sauce.
On the other hand, It would be very hypocritical for any of the competition, especially porsche, to dump a huge engine in their ride.
I remember hearing of Porsche engineers and actually hearing the owners and it was like a broken record. No car with an engine this big placed in the front can ever out handle...out perform,...etc etc. etc. Well the big, "only fast in a straight line," viper came and mopped lemans up. The only reason vipers are not still mopping it up is because of restrictions and because of the lack of a factory backed team..
A little off topic but the bottom line.. Unless you are in a super exotic, factory forced induction is weak sauce. If you don't have a lot of money it is great, because you can tune, change a pulley, and for relatively cheap, up the HP significant. That's what the Ricers do. But still... Weak sauce
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With all this talk about HP......i don't feel thats the problem.
When is the Viper going Aluminum Sub-framed??.......thats the biggest advantage the Z06 (and other cars) have on the Viper is weight reduction as in 300+lbs
with my local group of neiborhood gearheads......I roll with a good amount of pumped up imports and my SRT-10 is one of the slowest cars......its impossible for me to catch some of the turbo civic hatchs and DSM's above 100mph....they are just gone.....most of them in the neiborhood of 500whp on pump 93 with NO nos and only 4 cylinders.....most of their trap speeds in the mid 130ish range and with me at 120.....i'm a long way off right now.....I can stay close up to 100ish but over that forget it.....i would have buy a twin-turbo setup to take them.
I just feel whats holding the Viper back is the fact its just too damn heavy. Its got to get lighter. What is Chrysler saying about that?
With all this talk about HP......i don't feel thats the problem.
When is the Viper going Aluminum Sub-framed??.......thats the biggest advantage the Z06 (and other cars) have on the Viper is weight reduction as in 300+lbs
with my local group of neiborhood gearheads......I roll with a good amount of pumped up imports and my SRT-10 is one of the slowest cars......its impossible for me to catch some of the turbo civic hatchs and DSM's above 100mph....they are just gone.....most of them in the neiborhood of 500whp on pump 93 with NO nos and only 4 cylinders.....most of their trap speeds in the mid 130ish range and with me at 120.....i'm a long way off right now.....I can stay close up to 100ish but over that forget it.....i would have buy a twin-turbo setup to take them.
I just feel whats holding the Viper back is the fact its just too damn heavy. Its got to get lighter. What is Chrysler saying about that?
Probably saying that the Viper's chassis is much stronger and less prone to fatigue and flex.
With all this talk about HP......i don't feel thats the problem.
When is the Viper going Aluminum Sub-framed??.......thats the biggest advantage the Z06 (and other cars) have on the Viper is weight reduction as in 300+lbs
with my local group of neiborhood gearheads......I roll with a good amount of pumped up imports and my SRT-10 is one of the slowest cars......its impossible for me to catch some of the turbo civic hatchs and DSM's above 100mph....they are just gone.....most of them in the neiborhood of 500whp on pump 93 with NO nos and only 4 cylinders.....most of their trap speeds in the mid 130ish range and with me at 120.....i'm a long way off right now.....I can stay close up to 100ish but over that forget it.....i would have buy a twin-turbo setup to take them.
I just feel whats holding the Viper back is the fact its just too damn heavy. Its got to get lighter. What is Chrysler saying about that?
Lighter weight, yes. Aluminum subframe? You have got to be joking.
Unnecessarily sacrificing safety for performance. That is the worst part about the Z06, and conversely one of the better qualities of the viper, durability.
I cannot confirm but I remember hearing the reason the factory will not produce a factory convertible Z06 (or even a targa for that matter) is due to the switch to an aluminum frame.
Chevy needs to fire everyone who is associated with the C4, C5 and C6 and bring back a '69 looking vette. My '68 vette, with flares, stripes, etc. makes a new Z06 look like a UPS truck. If they made the ZR1 look as good as a '69 vette, I'd be on top of that shit like a negro on a blackout.
As the owner of a '68 Big Block Vert 4spd I have to agree.
If the car is pushing 650hp stock, and we can learn anything from past factory FI cars with BPU's, then this ZR1 should put down at least 700 to the ground.
I'm curious to see if it breaks 9's stock with slicks, with a certain famous vette driver.
However, it still looks like every other vette out.
Ranger is a fake. I'd still like to see him do a few runs in a "REAL" stock car.
With all this talk about HP......i don't feel thats the problem.
When is the Viper going Aluminum Sub-framed??.......thats the biggest advantage the Z06 (and other cars) have on the Viper is weight reduction as in 300+lbs
with my local group of neiborhood gearheads......I roll with a good amount of pumped up imports and my SRT-10 is one of the slowest cars......its impossible for me to catch some of the turbo civic hatchs and DSM's above 100mph....they are just gone.....most of them in the neiborhood of 500whp on pump 93 with NO nos and only 4 cylinders.....most of their trap speeds in the mid 130ish range and with me at 120.....i'm a long way off right now.....I can stay close up to 100ish but over that forget it.....i would have buy a twin-turbo setup to take them.
I just feel whats holding the Viper back is the fact its just too damn heavy. Its got to get lighter. What is Chrysler saying about that?
A heads/cam N/A viper can trap 130+ in the 1/4. We are going to see how close my tiny 708-ish cam will get. I've raced turbo'd, built, B18, gutted civic HB, when he was on slicks and high boost (18psi pump gas) I killed him so bad it wasn't even funny. I did a 11.61@127 vs his 12.1@ 121. Remember that was a gutted+motor swap+Turbo Civic HB. I was full weight, 25psi on my 6 y/o street tires(pump gas).
When these rice burners are maxed out, Viper's are just warming up. Race them stock vs stock....mod for mod, they will never win.
Learning how to race these cars has alot to do with it. When I first started racing this motor package I ran a 12.4 @ 124.....and that is with it dyno'd at 565rwhp 610rwtq. No changes other than the nut behind the wheel and I'm STILL on the 6 y/o stock tires hitting mid 11's
