No, I have thought. Show some numbers. Sure, 250 is more than 240 and aero instability increases. However, if the McLaren is OK at 240, are you suggesting it would be drastically worse at 250? I highly doubt it. Sighting that they are magical for engineering a car that can go that fast hardly holds any sort of credo when McLaren did something 98% as impressive in the early 90s with one tenth the man power, 1/100th the computing power, and 400 less HP. The F1 didn't even need to go into a special mode to hit 230-240.
No, I have thought. Show some numbers. Sure, 250 is more than 240 and aero instability increases. However, if the McLaren is OK at 240, are you suggesting it would be drastically worse at 250? I highly doubt it. Sighting that they are magical for engineering a car that can go that fast hardly holds any sort of credo when McLaren did something 98% as impressive in the early 90s with one tenth the man power, 1/100th the computing power, and 400 less HP. The F1 didn't even need to go into a special mode to hit 230-240.
You are correct in some areas...
McLaren is an awesome car...no one contests that...but...
Designing a car that can go 254MPH off the 'production' line is the point...
A 10MPH increase in speed can be the difference between 'planted' and 'airborne'...look at Benze in ALMS...
However, the difference is not that much. A 737 that is going 131 is off the ground. However, when it is going 130, the force is still hardly any less. A margin of safety must be accounted for in these vehicles. So designing for driving at 240 and driving at 250 are virtually identical. There is always going to be a magical speed where something can happen, however, that Benz would have lifted off at a lower speed had it gotten the front end up.
However, the difference is not that much. A 737 that is going 131 is off the ground. However, when it is going 130, the force is still hardly any less. A margin of safety must be accounted for in these vehicles. So designing for driving at 240 and driving at 250 are virtually identical. There is always going to be a magical speed where something can happen, however, that Benz would have lifted off at a lower speed had it gotten the front end up.
However, the difference is not that much. A 737 that is going 131 is off the ground. However, when it is going 130, the force is still hardly any less. A margin of safety must be accounted for in these vehicles. So designing for driving at 240 and driving at 250 are virtually identical. There is always going to be a magical speed where something can happen, however, that Benz would have lifted off at a lower speed had it gotten the front end up.
Yeah but there inlies the MAJOR fowl up on the engineers, they needed to force it to keep the front end down. It was the rise in the track that was causing all the problems.
If you design the car to stick to the ground at 160mph it should be pushed in harder at 250. But then you run into drag issues that may prohibit it from reaching that speed.
Power wise it takes a good bit more to go from 240 to 254, in an F1 I would say at least another 100hp.
Yeah but there inlies the MAJOR fowl up on the engineers, they needed to force it to keep the front end down. It was the rise in the track that was causing all the problems.
If you design the car to stick to the ground at 160mph it should be pushed in harder at 250. But then you run into drag issues that may prohibit it from reaching that speed.
Power wise it takes a good bit more to go from 240 to 254, in an F1 I would say at least another 100hp.
Indeed, 100 Hp sounds reasonable to go 254. I'll bite for that. What did Gordon Murray say he thought the McLaren would need to beat it? However, the point I am getting at is that this car gets press for good engineering when plenty have already done much better. The Saleen can go just as fast, Hennessey claims his Venom 1000 does the same, the Koeniggsegg goes 248. However, most of the vehicles can do it on their own merits without electronic controls. I trust an inherently stable design a hell of a lot more than an electronic box. It is an engineering achievement, however, it is one already done. A Koeniggsegg would not have much trouble going 254 from 248. Give it a downhill and I am sure it would happen. Flight is an accomplishment, however, do you see Boeing getting a reward for getting the 7E7 off the ground. No, Dauer already offered faster street cars. The knowledge is out there. It has been done before. However, even with this knowledge, Bugatti managed to make a big hash of it. I am not impressed, but this thing keeps going around and around. So, Greg and Rogue, I bid you a good night.
Who cares how it does what it does, it does it. Why does a viper need a big 8+ liter V-10 to be as fast as it is when a ZO6 can do it with a smaller v-8? Why must he viper be so much less aerodynamic than the vette? Why must it weigh so much more? Why does it need more power and torque than the vette and still not be able to walk away from it at top speed? Defend the viper for a moment against the ZO6 without contradicting yourself on at least a few points.
Who cares how it does what it does, it does it. Why does a viper need a big 8+ liter V-10 to be as fast as it is when a ZO6 can do it with a smaller v-8? Why must he viper be so much less aerodynamic than the vette? Why must it weigh so much more? Why does it need more power and torque than the vette and still not be able to walk away from it at top speed? Defend the viper for a moment against the ZO6 without contradicting yourself on at least a few points.
An 8L V-10 is not fundamentally inferior to a 7L V-8. It is simply a different way of getting there. There is no actual advantage to either for the intended purpose. Neither need a handlicap to make the power. It weighs more because it uses a different frame material, not because its design sucks. The ability to walk the vette simply is power to weight. The Z06 drag coefficient is not dramatically better, so I doubt it makes a dramatic difference. The Bugatti on the other hand took the ricer approach to speed. Take a vehicle that is really good to go about 180 and try to make it go much faster. The Viper is designed to go as fast as it goes and then some. The Bugatti is designed to go much slower than it does and just has 1832409234590 handicaps and patches to get there. A new design should be better than existing designs. Case in point: Z06 is in many ways better than the Viper. The Bugatti is not better in design than almost any of its competitors.
Again for those that didn't get it the first time I posted it here is the Top Gear episode where they raced the Veyron from northern Italy to England. It will be good for seven days or until a certain amount of people download it 20 maybe??.
Of course I love the looks and aerodynamic styling of the GTS...but at 250+MPH...you will need more than that...
At the same time you are working your cd numbers, take into account the thermodynamics involved here...
Blend speed, thermodynamics, and stability when designing a 'production' vehicle capable of 254MPH and see what you come up with...
Exactly...
And regardless of the engineering faults, since ANYTHING with this many variables is going to have its own faults... This vehicle still tops the cake. Find a GOOD source to take any other car out and do an indepth comparison vs. the Veyron. It was built for one reason and one reason only: to be THE best (this is my point). Not meeting specific goals was not acceptable, which is why it was held back for 3+ years. Sure, they could have released it as-is and have it pull sub-240 mph top speeds, but it wasn't part of the equation. I'm not saying "No other car compares," that would be a completely false statement, but to say there's an equal... I can't think of one.
The Veyron is built to be a cruiser. The ultimate GT. It is exactly that. The fact that it compares in ANY way to the McF-1, S-7, Zonda is simply astonishing.
It is not a sports car although it would hand most their asses on long courses.
Move over Bugatti Veyron - there's a new king of the road coming through - the Saleen S7 Twin Turbo, already clocked at 416 km/h, with more to come!
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