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Old November 29th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #1
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Just the Facts: •Buick is planning to reintroduce the Grand National, T-Type and GNX nameplates.
•The new models will ride on GM's rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.
•The Grand National and T-Type models will likely use turbocharged V6s, while the GNX will most likely get GM's new LT1 V8.


SANTA MONICA, California — Buick is bringing back the Grand National, the GNX and the T-Type, three legendary performance nameplates from the brand's high times of the 1980s. All three cars will be sedans and they'll use GM's new rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform first introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.

That's the plan anyway, according to a reliable source who spoke to Edmunds.

As in the 1980s, the T-Type and Grand National will share powertrains and suspension calibrations, but the T-Type will be offered in a full color palette, while the GN will come in black only. Details on the exact drivetrain that will be used are still hard to come by at this point.

Buick's current turbocharged 2.0-liter has the right vibe but lacks the muscle, and the normally aspirated V6 has the guts but just doesn't feel right for these nameplates. A more likely scenario is the use of GM's long-rumored, and recently spotted, twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter V6. It's expected to produce between 350 and 400 horsepower, which would be more than enough power in a bad black Buick with a Grand National badge.

So what's left for the legendary GNX nameplate? How about GM's new LT1 V8? We've already confirmed that a V8 will fit in the confines of the Alpha platform, so it's not an issue of "if" it can be done, but one of "how" it will be done.

With a V-Series version of the Cadillac ATS almost certainly in the pipeline, a Buick version with a slightly less powerful V8 could be the ticket for the GNX. A six-speed manual transmission and six-speed automatic could be available in all three sedans.

Buick will also make changes to the sedan's interior and exterior to bring it into the Buick family. The size of the sedan should remain unchanged, however, (the Cadillac ATS is exactly the same size as a BMW 3 Series) and all of its subsystems such as steering, brakes and suspension will be shared with the ATS.

For those born after the Reagan administration, the Buick Regal T-Type, Grand National and GNX were essentially the quickest cars you could buy in 1986 and '87. They were powered by turbocharged versions of Buick's 3.8-liter V6 and they instantly became legends on the street and on every drag strip in America. Today these Buicks are highly valued collector cars, with prices topping out at $100,000 for one of the 547 GNXs that GM built in 1987.

One of those GNXs used to belong to Mark Reuss, the current president of General Motors North America. In fact, his dad, Lloyd Reuss, approved the original GNX when he was executive vice president of General Motors North America in the '80s. Needless to say, there's plenty of enthusiasm at the very top of General Motors for a return of these storied nameplates.

That enthusiasm can't work miracles, however, so we'll have to wait at least another year before this crop of performance Buicks even gets a mention in public. Figure the 2014 Detroit Auto Show is a good bet.

Edmunds says: Just when we think GM has settled back into stupid mode Reuss and the gang get smart. We can't wait to drive these new Buicks. Make ours, and everyone else's, black.
Grand National, GNX and T-Type Are Returning to Buick
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Old November 29th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #2
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That's ironic.

I am ashamed to admit it, but yesterday Javo beat me at Road Atlanta in an old GNX......I was in a Gen 4 ACR.
















































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I would love to know what they end up pricing these out at and hopefully they turn out well. Buick has sucked balls for awhile and now getting back in it.... I wouldnt mind trying one but its going to be hard to beat my g37s sedan love that thing.
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Looks very CTS-Vish to me
Agreed. Maybe at much less of the pricetag being that it has that Buick name lol. Guess we will find out.
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4 Door? It should be a 2 door with a twin turbo v6 making 350hp standard and the GNX making +400. They were over 300hp with much less technology in 1987. To me that would make the most sense, were at the point right now where showcasing technology/fuel efficiency and power are a marketing tool for each manufacture. A 400hp GNX, rwd, optional manual 6spd would get people thinking of Buick on a whole new level. Then take that turbo technology and apply it to a new Corvette ZR1. If your going to bring back a classic do it right and continue what it once was or call it something else. The new Charger is an example of that, shouldn't be 4 door and have some throwback to the original. Not just a name.
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If they brought back the GN/GNX with a turbo 6 and manual trans.... pretty sweet. I've wanted to grab a CTS-V for daily but the new model is right around the corner and the current one still holds value strongly, just try finding one with Recaro's and manual trans.... don't feel like taking it in the pie hole when the new one comes out.

Just ordered a new Fusion for the woman, should be in a week or two. She wanted a new 5.0 but loved driving the Fusion, drives awesome and looks awesome vs others in it's class, easily the sportiest car in that class. Wish Ford would stick the eco-boost 6 and manual trans in it and call it the Sho, I'd buy one, vs the fat pig land barge Taurus "Sho" we have now.
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hahahahabahahabahahabah.....let me finishing laughing. I'll be back.

Hahahahabahahabahahababababahababaahhahahahhah.... .
Oh. Right. You had a beef.

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If they brought back the GN/GNX with a turbo 6 and manual trans.... pretty sweet. I've wanted to grab a CTS-V for daily but the new model is right around the corner and the current one still holds value strongly, just try finding one with Recaro's and manual trans.... don't feel like taking it in the pie hole when the new one comes out.
I've got a coupe 6MT w/ Recaros and bolt ons. It took a while to get used to a booty that only KingGTS could love, but it's grown on me.
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They should stay true to the original and make much quicker than the Vette. And, as already stated, with 2 doors, a fugly dash and soon to sag hedliner.
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They are going to charge about the same as the CTS-V for the new GNX I'm betting. Buick is a premium luxury brand after all...

It looks very blase'; they can do much better imo. Turbo 6 with at least 400 or what's the point?
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Oh. Right. You had a beef.

5 yrs. ago.

He got laughed off here so hard it was beyond funny.

You think I give a crap about that neg rep you gave me. Why are you upset? Lol.

Remember I was the one who offered to make amends with Javo @ Bradenton...in person. I was the one who reached out to shake hands and put the past behind. (Granted, it was after I called him and asshole to his face...as promised). He was the one who wouldn't let it go. I'm over and under all that years ago...about the time he fell from grace.


But I still laugh at him, because in some twisted way, I feel sorry for him.

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He got laughed off here so hard it was beyond funny.

You think I give a crap about that neg rep you gave me. Why are you upset? Lol.

Remember I was the one who offered to make amends with Javo @ Bradenton...in person. I was the one who reached out to shake hands and put the past behind. (Granted, it was after I called him and asshole to his face...as promised). He was the one who wouldn't let it go. I'm over and under all that years ago...about the time he fell from grace.


But I still laugh at him, because in some twisted way, I feel sorry for him.
You are not bright enough to upset me, chief.

After review, my rep should have said: "I can pick on him like a younger brother, but you can't".

I was there in Bradenton. I wasn't around when you shook his hand, smiled like a Cheshire Cat, and called him an asshole. It may have gone differently if I hadn't been worried about my piece of shit Gen 3 that I backed into a tree after a night in Ybor.

Dunno.

This I do know: I wish I could drive like him.

And feel sorry for him? No need.
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You are not bright enough to upset me, chief.

After review, my rep should have said: "I can pick on him like a younger brother, but you can't".

I was there in Bradenton. I wasn't around when you shook his hand, smiled like a Cheshire Cat, and called him an asshole. It may have gone differently if I hadn't been worried about my piece of shit Gen 3 that I backed into a tree after a night in Ybor.

Dunno.

This I do know: I wish I could drive like him.

And feel sorry for him? No need.

So much fail in that post....
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Fail, as in your declaration that you would be the first to drive a Viper over 300mph, Cheshire?

MmKay.

Every other week my Autoweek comes and I open it up like Ralphie waiting for his Ovaltine secret decoder ring.

And every other week I am disappointed.... still no story about Disturbed 01 breaking 300 mph.

Once you do that (or drive a TTFGT from 0 to 200 to 0 and win a Car & Driver shootout), I'll shake your hand. Hell, I might even let you call me an asshole.
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You are not bright enough to upset me, chief.

Fail 1: I already did...that's why you keep posting over me just laughing.

After review, my rep should have said: "I can pick on him like a younger brother, but you can't".

Fail 2

I was there in Bradenton. I wasn't around when you shook his hand, smiled like a Cheshire Cat, and called him an asshole.

Fail 3 You don't know what your talking about, he wouldn't shake man hand. He stomped off like a child.

It may have gone differently if I hadn't been worried about my piece of shit Gen 3 that I backed into a tree after a night in Ybor.

Fail 4 Dumbass learn to drive. Who the fuck backs into a tree with a Viper.

This I do know: I wish I could drive like him.

Fail 5 Keep swinging like Tarzan from his sack. Its fun to watch you look like a fool.

Easy to see the epic failure of that post.
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I've got a coupe 6MT w/ Recaros and bolt ons. It took a while to get used to a booty that only KingGTS could love, but it's grown on me.
Mad props for the old school King GTS reference.....
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Mad props for the old school King GTS reference.....
Maybe it'll bring Trey out of retirement.

And Cheshire, I can laugh at myself. That why I brought up my dumbass backing out of my buddy's driveway in a big hurry to get to the track 5 years ago.

Gary can drive, period. I give him shit constantly but I can count on one hand how many people I know that can out drive him.

I guaranfuckingtee you aren't in the area code.

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