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Old October 23rd, 2012, 02:03 PM   #1
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Wheel failure

Anyone see this? Wow..

This Guy's Wheel Self-Destructed And The Company Who Made It Is Blaming Him

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Old October 23rd, 2012, 02:16 PM   #2
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My brother showed me this on NAGTROC yesterday. I know I'll never support that company!! That is ridiculous they won't stand behind their product.
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YIKES. that would seriously suck. I've never seen a wheel do that at any track before. note to self. stay away from that company at all costs.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:16 PM   #4
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looks awful frail for a track wheel
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:58 PM   #5
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I bet Daytons would hold up better at a track event.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 04:00 PM   #6
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Did not read up on it yet, say where it's made?

Look up ROTA in the ricer world.

Any fool who cheaps out and buys Chinese wheels gets what they deserve.

O.Z. baby..... Italian quality. Followed by BBS, but I hate most things German.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 05:22 PM   #7
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Unfortunately, many aftermarket wheels do not meet the standards of OEM wheels.
This guy just learned that.
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3 turns later and he'd be in Nascar #1 at triple digits. these guys are BS for not standing behind their wheels. Don't track a viper, or any car, on cheap wheels.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 05:57 PM   #9
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Did not read up on it yet, say where it's made?

Look up ROTA in the ricer world.

Any fool who cheaps out and buys Chinese wheels gets what they deserve.

O.Z. baby..... Italian quality. Followed by BBS, but I hate most things German.
Said they were 4500 dollar wheels...so could just be overpriced Chinese stuff, but it sounds more like a normal mid-end wheel provider.
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That center does look cast on it.

I bet it was Chinese aluminum, not matter where it was made. Which seems to be in doubt yet.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 06:00 PM   #11
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Said they were 4500 dollar wheels...so could just be overpriced Chinese stuff, but it sounds more like a normal mid-end wheel provider.
I have seen $1000/per Jap wheels too, yet if they are so good to be worth that $, why can't you find them in any upper echelon racing series? No, drifting Does Not Count!

No matter what he paid, he paid too much.
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ok. so based on this. who makes safe track worthy high speed wheels? HRE. true forged. iforged. American racing. OZ. BBS.
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I have seen $1000/per Jap wheels too, yet if they are so good to be worth that $, why can't you find them in any upper echelon racing series? No, drifting Does Not Count!

No matter what he paid, he paid too much.
actually... the engineering, manufacturing, and quality control between the top Japanese wheel brands is second to none... and makes a lot of the American wheel companies look pretty amateur. and yes they are used in real racing series, including F1 and JGTC, and used in OEM applications for sport packages etc and have TUV certification.

What you get for your money out of wheels like Volk/Rays, Advans, etc... far far exceeds what you are getting for a set of bling'n made in america wheels.
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The only quality,and race proven (American) wheel I like is Forgeline. They also have awesome customer service too. Unlike some of the horror stories I seen with the others..
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ok. so based on this. who makes safe track worthy high speed wheels? HRE. true forged. iforged. American racing. OZ. BBS.

Forgeline and OZ are what most vipers are using to road race.
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ok. so based on this. who makes safe track worthy high speed wheels? HRE. true forged. iforged. American racing. OZ. BBS.



I dont know if Iforged fits in that list? They make beautiful wheels and Ive owned some. But I dont think they are the best road race wheel.


.......maybe I was too hasty on my comment. I went and checked their site and apparently they are strong into racing. Never considered them for racing....

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actually... the engineering, manufacturing, and quality control between the top Japanese wheel brands is second to none... and makes a lot of the American wheel companies look pretty amateur. and yes they are used in real racing series, including F1 and JGTC, and used in OEM applications for sport packages etc and have TUV certification.

What you get for your money out of wheels like Volk/Rays, Advans, etc... far far exceeds what you are getting for a set of bling'n made in america wheels.
TUV in EU, and other Certs that are used here in the U.S. mean something. Yet some "knock-off wheels have been found to have fake ratings on them before. Hell even fake Volk's are out there now that look exactly alike unless you know every tiny detail.

Jap wheels second to none, in no way, shape or form.
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Lets just look at the TOP racing series in the world, F1 for now.

I have looked before, but never really spent more than a few mins looking at F1 wheels. I see 2, no make that 3 wheels with names on them. BBS, O.Z., Enkei. This is easy to find with a F1 car pic search.

Looking at these 3 name I know/can find the following:
BBS makes their own wheels, street and race.
O.Z. makes their own wheels street and race.
Enkei make their own street wheels, the F1 wheels "saying Enkei" on them are made by O.Z. They state as much in their own ads.
So that says alot about Enkei and their brand, having to have O.Z. make "their" F1 wheels.

BBS also makes wheels "branded" other names, and also in other countries besides Germany. ASA is just one brand.

O.Z., the same. They make ProDrive, Sparco, etc., etc.

Now once again, I still have yet to any see any other wheel today on an F1 car besides these three name/ 2 manufacturers.

Indy Car, I see 2. BBS and O.Z.
Nascar, they don't count as far as I know they are still running steel wheels
Other Formula cars, have not looked yet.
JGTC, well I would expect them to push Jap wheels in that series.
GTC, German wheels also being "pushed" or used more.

So maybe there are some Jap wheels "worth" 1k a pop, but I don't know just who they are.

Rays, Volks, "insert any of 100 names here" etc etc and any other Jap "name brand", well they are mostly BBS and O.Z. knock-offs. Yes, knock-offs. Mostly.

SSR/Speed Star Racing, some nice wheels, but again knock-offs from years gone by.

HRE, hmm...... no longer go by their original name, Hayashi Racing Equipment (sp) Wonder why, maybe to get away from being associated with having a Japanese name?

Anyone remember when HRE wheels were not allowed in a few racing series due to some braking? Wasn't ones something like the VRL? Now today, I know some HRE are "racing approved", but which ones exactly.

Buy what you like, but if you buy cheap, you get what you pay for. One can argue cost/quality all day long, but that would be the cheap bastard/jooboy.



Me and my $$$ will go to O.Z. and BBS long before any Jap wheels, and never
for a Chinese one.



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^^ you said a lot... but you still dont know what you are talking about regarding the top tier Japanese wheels. lots of misinformation there. study it more.

theres a video on youtube about volks/rays and how they are made and the inspection process, etc.

volks are not knockoffs, they are the brand most commonly copied.

"Rays Engineering Co., Ltd. , a part of Rays Co., Ltd. is a high-end Japanese wheel manufacturer for both motorsport and street use, mostly notable for manufacturing Volk Racing flagship brand of wheels. Their wheels feature high-tech forging processes that are exclusive to Rays Engineering.

They are the current wheel suppliers to winning factory race teams of Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and Mazda in racing series such as Super GT, Japanese Touring Car Championship (JTCC), British Touring Car Championship (BTCC), Formula Nippon, and Formula One

Their Volk Racing wheels are popular with owners of sport compact and import cars on the race and show circuits."

oh and now its just official right here.....

Rays Engineering also manufactures wheels for car manufacturers' in-house tuning teams such as Nismo, Ralliart, STi, Mazdaspeed and Toyota Racing Development and also supply wheels to Williams Formula One team as well as the cars of The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift.

thats it right there.... bbs+oz < volk/rays

just because you arent familiar with the brand, doesnt mean its not one of the best options (unless you have a Viper.. 6 lug)

BTW HRE wheels are made in the USA... so regardless if they had a japanese sounding name, they are made in america.

I dont care what wheels you buy... was simply correcting the misinformation you posted. ya great... bbs and oz are good wheels. whatever. ill put a set of volks up against them any place any time.

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most every single quality wheel out there starts with a bbs blank. bbs has been comissioned by so many manufacturers to make their factory wheels, that they are about the only ones to have the tooling to mass produce these blanks that others machine, and brand as their own. most all barrels are interchangable between high end 3pc wheel companies because, well, there is only one company that has the tooling to roll them. monoblock wheels all start with a bbs blank. concave monoblock, bbs blank. only thing that separates the companies, is their own cnc design.
as far as the simple cast wheels, they are shit! easy to stamp a prototype and pour in melted alum. the difference between cast and even cast/forged is easy to tell from a machined billet blank.

i know o.z. has a strong european following, but i just don't see them owning a foundry with the capabilities from start to finish of bbs to hot roll out some of those billet chunks to create the intricate monoblocks. maybe it is like computer chips, the ones that don't pass spec, go for a cheaper price!
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^^ you said a lot... but you still dont know what you are talking about regarding the top tier Japanese wheels. lots of misinformation there. study it more.
machined in japan. blanks from bbs. in a 3pc wheels though, to machine a billet center isn't a huge deal or waste of material to do from scratch. the barrels though, will almost for sure be from bbs.
i had a 1 of 2 set of 20" work rezak 2's on a previous car, and ya, they were fucking bitching! left them raw so you could see the machine work on the centers.
takes a ton of machinery to roll the barrels and especially a monoblock from a single chunk of billet. not many companies just making wheels have the resources to do it.
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