The French are clearly stupid

CollinsvilleZ

I am glad you choose Roadkill as a name, now I understand your thought process. You think Roadkill, you eat Roadkill, you smell like Roadkill. If, you are in love with France, you should move there. If, you have ever been there like others (no not me, but my son). These people hate us, because they are so embarrassed that they were born without balls or brains. Where in the hell do you come up with your info, is your wee, wee brain so waterlogged living near the ocean. Like I said before all blow and no sail. Come up with some facts to back your cocksureless attitude. What is your boyfiend's name anyway, because surely this is not just a I love France fight. Come on out of the Closet Sonny Boy. Let's fight whats really eating you, because only french lovers lay down under the Bulldozers. Unless, you are some just cocklesssure Liberal, who thinks they know something. You must pray to the God of Numbnutness. You are like every other lameass Liberal, when beat sidetrack. The subject was France, France, France, Frogs...............

Your problem is not Joker and I, it this that most (meaning more than 50% of Ameercians, not illegal aliens) would agree that your stand (defense) of France is with out total merit. In other words you are full of Shit.

Whitebeard

I wouls have to agree that France's current standing is trash. I will support the right for them to be that way.

CollinsvilleZ

I do not even know Joker, but I sincerely think him for starting this Thread. :thumb:
I do not agree with him however, I really fuc*ing enjoy the suffering of my enemies, I learned it in Nam (Vietnam)
Roadkill, if someone fired a shot at you. You would look like this:

not interested

No, you got that wrong Barney.

I'm the prick that gets enjoyment in the death and suffering of 15,000 dead frogs. [img]/images/graemlins/wave.gif[/img]

(He's still upset with me over that remark. [img]/images/graemlins/laughing.gif[/img])

Joker

[quote=CollinsvilleZ]I do not even know Joker, but I sincerely think him for starting this Thread. :thumb:
I do not agree with him however, I really fuc*ing enjoy the suffering of my enemies, I learned it in Nam (Vietnam)


Can't blame you man! My old Gunny served in Nam. Salty old dog and he was in his last year in. Must have pissed off a few brass to be that old and still a gunny but he was tough as nails. He was a tunnel rat. He weighed all of 125 lbs He could out pace anybody on a 30 mile hump with 80 lbs on his back. My major also served in Nam and was enlisted in Nam then later became an officer. He would challenge any Marine to 3 rounds in the boxing ring. Every day he was pounding that bag. He never lost a challenge, no matter how big or tough the young Marines thought they were. Oh he would punish them. They walked in thinking he was this old fart Major and walked out or carried out wondering who the hell he was?

Thank you for your service Collins as well as others that served before me and present time, Semper Fi!

SRT Mike

You seem to be getting all angry over this, Roadkill, which I take as a sign that you are on the defensive side of this argument and your position is shaky.

No, I am saying that in the Iran/Iraq war, many countries "chose sides". The USA chose Iraq, as did Russia and France. In the Iraq/USA war, many countries chose sides. This time, France sided with Iraq. They did everything possible to help Iraq from being invaded, up to and including vowing to veto ANY UN resolution allowing a war in Iraq, no matter who else was in support of it. Furthermore, France rejected the proposed last-minute-avert-war proposal that the USA made to Iraq before Iraq even rejected it. What you call two-faced, I call doing what is in our best interests at the time. Things change, times change, governments change, and people change. Just because we wanted Saddam to win against Iran doesn't mean we are his lifelong friends. We are friends with Pakistan now - but in 20 years if things change, should we always do anything in favor of Pakistan because we are friends with them now? Of course not. Your argument that we supported him before is meaningless unless you are trying to say we should *always* support him? If that is how you feel, I guess we should always hate Germany and Japan since we fought them and times aren't allowed to change, right?

You don't think Vietnam and Korea were proxy wars? We were fighting the spread of communism, backed by communists like Russia. What other reason did we have to get involved in Vietnam and Korea? You think we were trying to prop up Korea to make it into a cheap labor state later? Also noticed more attempts at flaming by calling me screwy than to address the topic. Speaks volumes. I put Afghanistan into *exactly* the same category as Iraq - I'm talking about our support of the Mujahadeen, not our recent fight against the Taliban. If you think the USA is so hypocritical and two-faced, why would you live here? Hey why don't you tell us your background? Are you French? Seriously.

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Uhh, yeah, obviously. Back then the gov't in Afghanistan was different, and the USA did not want that country to fall victim to Russian communism. What does that have to do with France? You're trying to say the USA is a bad evil country? Sorry, it ain't. We had a reason to support the Mujahadeen against Afghanistan - hindsight is 20/20 and you can claim now we're "two faced" - but again this has nothing to do with the weak cowardly nature of the French and their belief that they matter in world affairs when they really don't.

Where do I begin?

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/15222/

http://victoryvillage.com/GM/archives/00000162.htm

Some more..

*A few days before the Gulf War I began, President Francois Mitterand sent emissaries to 24 countries to assure their governments French participation was purely defensive.

*In 1996 Chirac delivered a speech at Cairo University where he forwarded France as an alternative to the U.S. as Middle East peace broker.

*Chirac said Arabs would benefit from the change because the U.S. was too pro-Israeli.

*In December 1996, Iraq's Oil Minister Amir Rasheed was quoted as saying: "'Friendly countries who have supported us, like France and Russia, will certainly be given priority" when the lucrative contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq are awarded after the oil embargo is lifted.

*In December 1996, the London Mail reported that Western intelligence services had learned French companies had signed multi-million dollar contracts to help rearm Iraq, among other things, in exchange for oil.

*At the 35th annual Baghdad international trade fair in November 2002, France was represented by 81 firms. Saddam Hussein gave the French and Germans priority in entering the Iraqi market. Regarding the Germans, this commercial priority was granted as a result of "the firm positive stand of Germany in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq by the U.S," according to Al-Iraq, a government-run newspaper. "The importance of this fair is that it is a clear message that despite the risk of bombing, all these companies and all these countries still believe in peace," said Jihad Feghali, the managing Director of France's Nutris Company. The sanctions committee at the U.N. that reviews contracts between Iraq and international companies is constantly delaying and holding up Feghali contracts for review of dual-usage i.e. military value

*On February 14, 2003, The Irish Examiner reported that Richard Perle, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense, said the French anti-war stance was driven by economic interests. French state controlled oil giant. TotalFinaElf has exclusive exploration contracts worth $60 billion to $75 billion to develop the massive Majnoon and Bin Umar oilfields in southern Iraq, he said. Perle said oil experts who had analyzed the deal described it as "extraordinarily lopsided" in favor of the French company

*CIS Paris, a Parisian broker that is active in dealings of many kinds with Baghdad, brokered a deal among the Chinese producer, the Syrian land transporter and the Iraqi buyer of a chemical that is among the best binders for solid propellant in long range surface-to-surface missiles. The chemical is a transparent liquid rubber called hydroxy-terminated polybutadiene, familiarly known in the advanced-rocket trade as HTPB. This is not for the short-range Al Samoud 2 or old mobile Scuds. The Chinese producer was Qilu Chemicals, 116 DaWu Road in Zibo, Shandong province, China. A shipment of 20 tons of HTPB, the sale of which to Iraq is forbidden by U.N. resolutions and the oil-for-food agreement, left China in August 2002 in a 40-foot container. It arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus (the Mediterranean terminus for an Iraqi oil pipeline today) and was received there by a trading company that was an intermediary for the Iraqi missile industry. The HTPB was then trucked across Syria to Iraq.14 The next day, the French government denied that it had allowed the sales.15 "Despite French denials, U.S. intelligence and defense officials have confirmed that Iraq purchased from China a chemical used in making fuel for long-range missiles, with help from brokers in France and Syria

*In 2003, beginning in January, a French company sold aircraft and helicopter parts to Iraq for its French-made Mirage F-1 jets and Gazelle attack helicopters.17 This was amidst coalition preparations to militarily disarm Saddam Hussein and debates on U.N. resolutions to authorize that action. United Nations inspectors had previously established that Iraq had modified Mirage F-1 drop tanks for the delivery of biological and chemical weapons by a variety of means. On March 6, 2003, UNMOVIC listed these drop tanks among unresolved disarmament issues.


Cliff-notes on the above - you have just been owned.

I have posted in other threads that I want to know where the WMD is, so don't try to turn this around as be being a Bush-loyalist who will follow him no matter what. Furthermore, it's ludicrous to think it was about France "wanting more proof". Read the articles above. France was owed $4 billion from Iraq. France had SIGNED arms trade agreements with Hussein's government that would be profitable as soon as they could sell arms on them. France had a "preferred" status as a supplier to Iraq - with Saddam's government. French oil companies had HUGE contracts with Iraq to exlore oil fields.

There are also some soft reasons France did not want this war, such as:

-There is a very VERY large population of Arabs in France. Chirac was playing to his audience.
-France has long struggled to regain power in the EU. Chirac has always battled England to be the #1 power country in the EU. This is evidenced by his speech at the Cairo University proposing the French should broker any deal with the Arab world and not the USA
-France is a "De Gaulle-ite". He is a proponent of stronger ties with the Arab world and lesser ties with Israel. This is in direct conflict with the USA's goals with Israel and the Arab world. It was a power play against the USA, and it is one the French lost BADLY.

That dickhead moron Chirac tried to put on his best poker face and go against the will of the USA, and he lost and he lost bad. Maybe he should concentrate on fixing his own country before he tries to dictate to others how to act.

Chirac was quoted as saying war always means failure. He's right. The French are failures when it comes to any sort of war. Chirac and his government spouted off quite a bit about how war was not the answer and how the UN should rule, but fact is France was given a gift of a veto in the UN. The world felt bad for poor France who got abused like a $2 whore during WWII, and due to that and their geographic location, they were given a gift and allowed to sit at the adult table in the UN. That's why France wants the UN to be the "key" power in the world, because outside of the UN they are not a player in world affairs - not even close to the level the US is on. As for "wanting to nuke the shit outta whoever tries to fuck with them again" - I am all for the French nuking the next combatant in their war - because we all know the French will be invaded and will roll over like a bitch for whatever alpha-male country has decided they want to claim the nice French coastline as their own. That wonderful invention, the Maginot line will ensure the French have nowhere to run after whatever country decides to invade. If France wants to nuke themselves to get rid of their aggresors, more power to them. If they nuke whoever is attacking them, those attackers will likely just take France instead - what are the French going to do? Stink them to death?

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The Iraqis were buying parts for their equipment from France - no doubt about it. Yeah, their crappy Mirage fighters were grounded, but I think we pretty much expected that from a French-designed aircraft. The French sold Iraq illegal items when it was ILLEGAL to do so. The US sold them when it was LEGAL. Big difference.

I'll let smackie handle this one


The UN dictates world policies? Since when? The UN didn't want us going into Iraq, but we did anyway. The UN *wants* to dictate various things but they are totally ineffective.


Difference between Canada, Germany and Russia is that when we said we WERE going to war, those countries all shut up, France didn't. And don't kid yourself into thinking the French are somehow more moral or more elightened than others, it's just that they had their fingers in the cookie jar further than anyone else and couldn't afford to get the lid closed on them.

Too bad for the French!

Joker

Roadkill aka Lover of France

Hmmm and I wonder why the Americans view the French as fools and whores? The reality is that France was mor eloyal to Iraq and sided with Iraq. I think that has been spelled out and the proof is in the pudding. Like French fashion, they are unable to come to the aid of their buddy Saddam. War does mean failure in their book because all they know about war is that they lose all the time. Hell if I lived in France I would probably be the same way. They have been pimped slapped and screwed in the rear without even getting a reach around. They are not even worthy to offer rectal lube to. They like playing the Veto Card game but the reality is they are about as useful to this world as a @ick tree is to a dike.

CollinsvilleZ

Well yes, Thuel is french. My Ancestors were Engish, Irish, Scottish, and Amercian Indian (Delawares). I consider myself one and only one, thats American and owe allegiance to no other country or nationality. See, I had to swear an oath to this Great Country.

SeriousEric

Awww fuck it. Brunton dissertated you to death ... why bother. Don't even think about showing up here with a reply. Problem with this discussion is that it's fact not opinion based which means you showed your ass in such a way that anyone willing to dig facts could lay wood to it. Consider yourself owned.

If you have any shame or self respect you will also behave as though owned. If, on the other hand, you are stupid or prideful enough to assert that you have not been owned then please explain why, because to all other observers you are now our bitch.

Thank you and please consider subscriptions to any number of international news organizations.

Cliffy Windbag

Damn, Mike, you took a page out of the Windbag encyclopedia of voluminous verbal hammerings. Of course, I find that impressive and admirable. Nothing like thrashing your adversary into deadened shreds of catatonia with a healthy dose of sprawling, fact-based exposition. You drove a wood nail through steel with that imposing display. Very nice.

Eric:

Why not suggest to the target party a rambling soliloquy that elucidates these inexplicable bursts of amorous Francophile glee, while at the same debunking the intertia of the irenic liberal mind and, most notably, offering explanation why berets so closely resemble freshly minced foreskin, such that the streets of Paris on Bastille Day look like a national celebration of circumcision. That might inspire the sort of response you're looking for. [img]/images/graemlins/supergrin.gif[/img]

Smackie

Roadkill, you stupid fuck. Just because you didn't "hear about" any French arms being used against us in Iraq does not mean that is the litmus test the rest of the free world must uphold.

For the record, French systems employed against coalition forces during Operation Iraqi Freedom would be:

- Fiber optic air defense network.
- Roland surface to air missiles.
- Harbor mines.
- SATCOM jamming devices.
- Gazelle attack helicopters
- Night vision goggles
- Chinese SCUD fuel sold through a French front company
- 155mm howitzers (ask our boys how much they loved being rained down with these)

And if it wasn't for the fucking Israelis, the Osiraq nuclear facility outside of Baghdad would be on its 20th year of operations. Oh, by the way, France sold and built that facility for them and a guy by the name of Chirac was lead salesman.

That's just off the top of MY head, douchebag. Just think what the post-war AO intelligence will turn up.

Consider yourself worked over...again...sweetheart. I call all my gals "sweetheart".

Whitebeard

Smackie, thank you for the research. You posted before I could.

Smackie

It's what I do. I'm a giver.

Minivan Man

While we're at it, let's talk about Iran, too. Even though Iran sponsors terrorism conferences--really, seminars on how to conduct terrorism--France has never imposed an embargo against Iran. In fact, if a US subsidiary in France tries to avoid selling US goods to Iran, then it has commited a violation of French law! Fuck France. Beautiful country, neatest place in the world in many respects, but like a beautiful Hollywood starlet it has no morals and thus is worthless despite its beauty.