Mike, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You say you only care about yourself, then you say you are the first person to help someone out. You say you are a nice guy, but I would bet your dog that not a single peron on here would agree with that statement.
BTW - Your dog hates you.
No offense to the younger crowd but the more this idiot talks the more he seems like some kind of pimle nosed kif behind a computer. He can't be an adult and be this stupid. His own logic makes no sense.
You talking to me?
no, I am talking to A$$ Face. And what is up with my typing????????
Answer this great question that Par asked. And since I know you just began reading the thread - I'll save you the time and let you know he thinks I am a POS too...
But his question was:
Here is anothe take on the same question: Would you die for your country if your country was fighting a war which was unjust? Under what circumstances would you consider it okay to tell your CIC that you will not follow that order?
That's cool Par... BUT THAT IS A FANTASTIC QUESTION. Am dying to see how you Yahoo's respond to that. You know why, because if you won't respond to that order, you are placing your morals and your actions over your country's. I doubt anyone here is willing to die for what they do not believe in. You just proved my point... thanks... Now granted there will be some people who say they would just follow the order because it was ordered of them, they are morally bankrupt and allow others to think for them... but... ah, well just see what happens.
Mike
That's easy mike. In fact, you answered it yourself earlier in this post. You said those who die in the military did so because they joined by their choice. I took an oath, and signed a contract to serve my country and my military. If they ask me to fight in a war I do not believe in, I am obligated to do whatever I can, including dying, to fight that war. Why? Because I said I would. It goes back to my oath, and that whole honor and integrity thing which you probably know nothing about. The only way out of fighting is if the orders are unlawful. So in fact, those of us who would die fighting in a war which is lawful, but that we don't agree with, are NOT the ones morally bankrupt. Those would be the people who signed up, by choice, but would not followed lawful orders that may or may not require their life.
Your anology about the burning building is laughable at best, and hardly worth commenting on. But, no where in my contract or oath does it say I'm not allowed to risk my life for anything except my country. In fact, the military has given awards to people who lost their lives in non-military related sacrafices. This country wouldn't exist today if it were filled with people who share your selfish and self-centered opinions.
I was never hypocritical. I said all those things, but they never contradicted one another because I said the REASON or logic behind it was that it was for me in actuality... for my own happiness.
And Joker,
What is wrong with being a self centered opportunist? If you were the best person for a well paying job that you wanted, would you give it to someone else because you were looking out for them? If you own your own company, would you pass up the opportunity to make more money and further your growth, just so your competitor can catch up? If you do, you are a fool. If not, then you were looking out for yourself.
This is all becoming quite redundant.
Mike
Yet another pathetic spin Costanza.
What you are failing to see here is that your self centeredness is a direct result of the men and women that died preserving your right to be a jackass. Had they all been of the same idiotic mindset as you, we'd all be speaking German or Russian and waiting in line for toilet paper.
The only redundancy here is your constant refusal to pull your head out of your ass.
I was never hypocritical. I said all those things, but they never contradicted one another because I said the REASON or logic behind it was that it was for me in actuality... for my own happiness.
And Joker,
What is wrong with being a self centered opportunist? If you were the best person for a well paying job that you wanted, would you give it to someone else because you were looking out for them? If you own your own company, would you pass up the opportunity to make more money and further your growth, just so your competitor can catch up? If you do, you are a fool. If not, then you were looking out for yourself.
This is all becoming quite redundant.
Mike
Jesus please tell me he just didn't get a little dumber. Yes it is becoming quite redundant. You have no clue as to the differences between things. Your examples have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Lets see you made the example of saving your child from a burning building or going off to war?????? You compare being self centered in seeking opportunity in the business sense to being a self centered opportunist regarding the defense of your country.
Do you even understand what we are talking about? How old are you slick? Do you have ANY common sense??????
unfortunately some enjoy the freedoms bestowed by the blood sweat and tears of our fathers while others (also enjoying those same freedoms) are AT LEAST willing to manup for them to continue, if necessary
Answer this great question that Par asked. And since I know you just began reading the thread - I'll save you the time and let you know he thinks I am a POS too...
But his question was:
Here is anothe take on the same question: Would you die for your country if your country was fighting a war which was unjust? Under what circumstances would you consider it okay to tell your CIC that you will not follow that order?
Mike
USAF BAD ASP said it better then i could have...
By the way.. he is not MY CIC ( dont even know if you know what that means so i will help you) Commander In Chief, he is YOURS, and EVERYONE ELSES IN THIS NATION.
so, here is a question...
Say your dad died in the war protecting your freedom (essentialy, thats what we do when we die.. for your freedoms) would you do the same for your kids? or just take your kids and run away? nothing buy a coward... move out of MY nation, YOU dont belong here.. FRANCE is more the place for you.
rememeber the motto, Honor, Courage, Commitment... for you have none of them.
Everyone in the armed forced does.
read this.. i still doubt you will understand it. i will bold the important parts
I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme , according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
- SERVING PROUDLY IN THE USN, NEVER SAY DIE!
die quietly.. no one cares about you, and no one will miss you.
How many of you in the military have asked the government to not pay you? That you would rather do what you do for free?
Mike
Hey Donkey Ball Licker,
When I was in I made a cool $800 a month. Do you think we do it for the pay a$$phat? Your point has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Simply put you are what we call a proud coward. You cannot measure duty with intelligence. This sense of duty is what got us to this point. And yes there were people like you loyal to the Queen back then and did not want to risk their property and position for this idea called Freedom. You cannot put money or value of money on duty. You either have a sense of it or you don't.
Your logic has a flaw and that is why you keep dodging the real questions and throwing these stupid questions and examples that have nothing to do with this. I fyou could see this you would see your flaw.
Have happy thoughts and may a stray bullet strike you dead.
What is wrong with being a self centered opportunist?
Nothing, but weren't you trying to pass yourself off as the nicest guy around just a few posts ago?
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If you were the best person for a well paying job that you wanted, would you give it to someone else because you were looking out for them?
This boils down to who is the best qualified for the job and nothing more. The most qualified will help the company grow and be successful, and in return it helps the economy and everyone. So, in fact you would be selfish in a very small way to not take it. BTW, you and your liberal friends have made it LAW to give jobs to less qualified people if they are a minority, which hurts us all.
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If you own your own company, would you pass up the opportunity to make more money and further your growth, just so your competitor can catch up?
Once again dumbass, our economy thrives off of competition. That's a jock-strap-washer-for-the-JV-team attempt at an analogy.
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If you do, you are a fool. If not, then you were looking out for yourself.
This is all becoming quite redundant.
Mike
No, you weren't looking out for yourself, you were doing what's best for the yourself, your family, and in the end, your country.
YOUR lame attempts at analogies which actually prove my point is what's becoming redundant!
When I was in I made a cool $800 a month. Do you think we do it for the pay a$$phat?
You were compensated, financially and emotionally because it fulfilled your sense of duty. Without either one, I doubt you would have stayed in. You gained your benefit. You did it for YOU.
When I was in I made a cool $800 a month. Do you think we do it for the pay a$$phat?
You were compensated, financially and emotionally because it fulfilled your sense of duty. Without either one, I doubt you would have stayed in. You gained your benefit. You did it for YOU.
Mike
Is this Radio with a different AE?
I was compensated financially? Get fricking real. As for the emotional part, I am still adjusting after 12 years. I gained my benefit and I did it for me? You are fricken genius. To continue to breathe and live is doing it for ourselves. Keep things in context genius.
What you fail to understand is no one wants to fight in a war but somebody has to. This is where duty comes in. You don't do that for you, rather for your country.
It is a good thing that you didn't join, you are about the biggest idiot I have ever talked with and no doubt you would drop a live grenade or shoot yourself or a fellow soldier in an accident. Holy $hit you are stupid.
Once again dumbass, our economy thrives off of competition. That's a jock-strap-washer-for-the-JV-team attempt at an analogy.
And being competitive requires one to be self centered, which means looking out for one's self; which was my point... that it is a GOOD thing. Unbeknownst to you, you and I agree on that.
Once again dumbass, our economy thrives off of competition. That's a jock-strap-washer-for-the-JV-team attempt at an analogy.
And being competitive requires one to be self centered, which means looking out for one's self; which was my point... that it is a GOOD thing. Unbeknownst to you, you and I agree on that.
Mike
Guys it is clear this is a child we are arguing with. You win kid, you had me going. I truly hope you don't believe have that $hit you say when you get older.
There is no draft right now so I am not urging my nephew to join. I am past the age mark (33) so I couldn't re-enlist even if I wanted to. Interesting I was gung ho but now that I am older and my nephew looks up to me and was talking about joining the Marine Corps. I found myself trying to talk him out of it and if he joined, join the Air Force or Navy???? I guess it is a double edged sword. Nothing would make me more proud if he went in the Marine Corps but then again I also want him to have better odds of surviving in a war. This is the closest I have ever come to being the "role model" or father figure and I now have some idea why my mother cried when I said I joined the Marine Corps.
Hey Joker, actually you can get a waiver to get beck in up to the age of 35. I would personally recommend the Air Force for your nephew, but the Marines are an outstanding Corps!
