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Old August 18th, 2003, 09:25 PM   #1
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Computer Hacker caused blackout?

Although government and energy-industry officials have continued to state that Thursday's massive power blackout was not an act of terrorism, they are unable to rule out the possibility that a computer hacker plunged 50 million people into darkness, a source told Fox News Monday.

Now that would certainly be a claim to fame!
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Old August 18th, 2003, 09:35 PM   #2
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Yah, a claim to one free ass-kicking by 50 million people.
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Old August 18th, 2003, 10:00 PM   #3
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Re: Computer Hacker caused blackout?

That was one of our employee's theories. If you think about it, it seems as likely as three power lines going down causing the whole mess.
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Old August 18th, 2003, 10:02 PM   #4
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Guys like that arent motivated or deterred by fear. Its the challange of "i think it can be done, but can it?". Sure its illegal, but that is of no consequence (unless you get caught). True hackers aren't looking for profit - just an understanding of how technology works and how it can be effected one way or another. When I was detained, I wasnt even scared. I mean I havent really done anything but read some shit I didnt understand. How was I to know that I was in systems which the government felt compelled to send three FBI agents to my computer to jack me up - a 13 year old kid on a public terminal playing breakout, talking chat on XYZ and running telnet sessions into random computers in florida (always wanted to go to florida).

I know there is a server there - but what kind of server, what kind of info is on it, who does it belong to? Oh, a defense contracting company, well - where does it lead me? what project is this machine working on?

The often quoted book at NSA was The Puzzle Palace. There is no better description of the people who play the game and the reason they play the game. The thrill is finding this missing pieces and doing what others say you can't.

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Fucking drugs are kicking in and i dont have a fucking clue what i am talking about.... games.... I'm losing all train of thought. But it seemed like I was on to something. fuck it
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Re: Computer Hacker caused blackout?

if a situation masked with confusion...it most likely something that is being covered up.

With the economy starting to push forward...good old GW doesn't want ANYTHING to stop the trend....so IF just IF this was a terrorist act...we will never know it.

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At any given point in time there must be just as much electricity produced as is consumed. What are the chances of a distribution system as vast as the northeastern grid experiencing three isolated faults in a coordinated fashion (within 9 seconds) with the result of the entire grid shuts down? I'd say that it seems quite fantastic, not impossible but quite fantastic.

If this is a hacker then he certainly got the most prominent position in the hackers hall of fame...
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At any given point in time there must be just as much electricity produced as is consumed.
When I read about powergrids etc. I found this fact to be weird. The amount of power being produced EXACTLY equals the amount of power being consumed. There is no excess or stored power

So could any of you electrical experts enlighten me on how we could avoid these major blackouts? Are more power plants the answer? What about storing large amounts of energy that would be ready to take the part of any plant that got shut down?
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At any given point in time there must be just as much electricity produced as is consumed.
When I read about powergrids etc. I found this fact to be weird. The amount of power being produced EXACTLY equals the amount of power being consumed. There is no excess or stored power

So could any of you electrical experts enlighten me on how we could avoid these major blackouts? Are more power plants the answer? What about storing large amounts of energy that would be ready to take the part of any plant that got shut down?
It's probably because there really is no good (efficient) way to store power. It's not like water where you can barrel it up and put it away. You could charge batteries, but they will lose power on their own. You could convert the electrical energy into mechanical (like store it as kinetic or something) but you can't do that efficiently, and since you can so accurately predict the power requirements, it's easier just to make what you need.

Having a bunch of redundant supplies ready to go would be hugely costly - but I think segregation of the grid would make sense, IMO.
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