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Old July 23rd, 2008, 02:34 PM   #1
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Shot placement is everything in a gun fight, .40 SW rounds ineffective?

Saw this review and police investigation of a shootout between a punk and a couple cops. Punk was hit numerous times with .40 cal SW rounds and didn't drop him till a .223 came into play.

Interesting read, and nasty autopsy photos.

Might be a repost but who cares, interesting read.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/documents/officer.pdf
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 03:03 PM   #2
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Obviously, he was serious about his tat's.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 03:12 PM   #3
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How ironic that his tatoos read "Live by the gun, die by the gun" and "What does not kill you makes you stronger". I don't think this made him stronger.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 03:13 PM   #4
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Very interesting read and pictures. I like his tattoo



Live by the Gun Die by the Gun



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Old July 23rd, 2008, 03:18 PM   #5
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I looked at that while I was eating a chili dog.
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Why the fuck would an officer shooting to kill, aim at the guys foot? From 20 feet away laying under a car no less...
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 04:54 PM   #7
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the cop was acared...he'd just seen a Terminator rerun on TV and thought he found one.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 05:59 PM   #8
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Shot placement is everything. Thats why practice and proficiency is so important. The first thing my sheriff buddy asked me after I told him about a recent pistol purchase was "Are you proficient with it yet?".

Well, unless you have a .50 cal Desert Eagle. In that case shooting their foot would probably make the bad guy die from shock.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 07:07 PM   #9
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That guy should have just taken the ticket for no front plate and lived to shoot another day.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 11:13 PM   #10
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Old July 24th, 2008, 12:24 AM   #11
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How ironic that his tatoos read "Live by the gun, die by the gun" and "What does not kill you makes you stronger". I don't think this made him stronger.
Well, uh, cause it killed him If he had lived, he would be pretty fucking strong.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 12:37 AM   #12
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That guy was an animal...he took 17 rounds and they still had trouble getting the cuffs on him !!!. Fuck that.. come near me and you're getting 15+1 in the eyeball!!
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Old July 24th, 2008, 08:39 AM   #13
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I'm no gun expert but it's hard to believe none of those first rounds penetrated more than an inch. Can somebody help explain?
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Old July 24th, 2008, 08:56 AM   #14
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Shot placement is everything. Thats why practice and proficiency is so important. The first thing my sheriff buddy asked me after I told him about a recent pistol purchase was "Are you proficient with it yet?".

Well, unless you have a .50 cal Desert Eagle. In that case shooting their foot would probably make the bad guy die from shock.
I have a Sig 226 that I can't hit shit with. If my life depends on a sidearm, it will definitely be a .44 mag. And yes, I'm proficient out to 100 yards.

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Old July 24th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #15
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Over here in Jacksonville the police shot a suspect something like 24 times with .223 and a .40. He was hit once in the face and and the rest all over his body. He lived and is fine now (other than going to prison for the rest of his life).
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Old July 24th, 2008, 10:29 AM   #16
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I have a Sig 226 that I can't hit shit with. If my life depends on a sidearm, it will definitely be a .44 mag. And yes, I'm proficient out to 100 yards.
Thats why I like my PX4 Beretta so much. The thing is so easy to put bullets where you want its just crazy. All guns have their quirks, thats why its important to practice often with whatever you carry.
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Punching paper and shooting straight when your life is in danger are two different situations. I'm not saying that learning to shoot at targets is useless but it is surely no guarantee. I have seen champion shooters fire the contents of a magazine into the ground three feet in from of them when the assailant was twenty yards away.
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Punching paper and shooting straight when your life is in danger are two different situations. I'm not saying that learning to shoot at targets is useless but it is surely no guarantee. I have seen champion shooters fire the contents of a magazine into the ground three feet in from of them when the assailant was twenty yards away.
This post has more merit in the clam thread I started.
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