LMAO @ "I read a bunch of those posts"!! I'm amazed at how fucking stupid you truly are. If Lonely K&N was never YOUR registered AE then why didn't you collect the $100,000 check I was prepared to donate to your charity of choice?
Tell you what, why don't you just give the mods permission to set the record straight about whether or not Lonely K&N was ever your registered AE. Deal?
WAR THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
You wouldn't have paid up, like when you crawfished out of paying Dell a measely $10,000 for a better way to strap a car down on a dyno.
What I did on the LKN deal is called "Taking one for the team". I know who it is now, and like Josh did not reveal who Valve Seals was, I have the same right.
Since you believe your own bullshit I'm going to make it crystal clear for you.
1. I did a set of heads for Mark Epstien aka as JohnnyBravo here.
2. He sends you his car and his heads.
3. You had a review done on the heads and did not inform me of anything.....the results, or that the review was being made, until *I* heard about it turning out very badly through gossip and called Mark Epstien myself to get to the bottom of it.
4. Right after Mark and I hang up, you call me. I can only assume that Mark did not like the situation, gave you my personal cell phone number for you to talk to me and take care of it.
5. You did not disclose a complete set of flow numbers, just one number, the peak intake number, and that it was 269 cfm. I told you that you either had the wrong heads, or that your flow tech did not know how to flow heads.
6. You suggested taking one down the street to Ultra Pro Machine (Don Losito). I agreed, knowing full well that he knows how to properly flow test a head and that I could expect fair treatment from him.
7. *I* called Don, told him about the situation, and he agreed to flow the head.
8. He flowed the head and faxed over copies of the results. I claimed 300 cfm. He got 298. He said that he told you the heads were good, to run them.
9. I asked Don how much time he spent on the project. He said he had about 4 hours.
10. I asked if he had been paid for his work. He said no. I took care of it based on 4 hours X $50 per hour, which is customary for flow bench time.
I never got an apology, and I know I'll never see that $200 again, because you claim I never even paid it.
I think that about covers it.
P.S. You have been dogging me for a couple years now claiming my port is second class. You are wrong, and the current crop of your Paxton cars proves it. In five years time you've managed to lower the expectations of a Paxton viper from 151 mph to 144 mph or less. So don't preach to me about my work. You have a lot on your own plate.
I don't care if you think I'm LKN or not. I read a bunch of those posts, and he was right on. Not running an ir filter is just plain wrong. i had a Fast 90 LSx intake come in my shop a few weeks ago. It was on a car that had been run wihtout an air filter. You want to know what I found in there? Sand, dirt, pieces of leaves and grass. Guess why the engine was apart? Yep, it was worn out from all the debris. As far as I'm concerned, if a guy walks into a tuner shop and is advised to not run a filter on the street he should just turn around and walk out.
From my experience with you, you're the kind of guy that makes this a cut throat business with your dirty tactics, threats, etc.
If you reread your own account Greg you will see that I called you to discuss the results of the first two flow tests. Furthermore you admit that I suggested getting a third flow test at Don Losito. Why the hell would I do that if my mission was to run a covert campaign to trash your heads? Johnny Bravo was aware of all three tests before making his decision to go with the Jeff Morey heads instead.
You keep making a big deal about my Paxton cars never getting close to Roofs with your heads on it. The fastest Paxton car to date is 2MANYTOYS UR car that went 9.20's at 151 several years ago. You also keep talking like my builds are not as good as 3 years ago because of customers on STREET TUNE'S running 144 rather than a 150 mph in the 1/4 that we did on a race tune with c-16. So you are basically saying that taking the street tune off and putting a race tune in it that I cannot pick up 2.5% on MPH.. Do you know how silly that sounds?? Are you that desperate to try to make something look bad that isn't?
To see that you are still clinging to the position that you are not Lonely K&N is an insult to the forum and is about all anybody needs to use to gauge your personal credibility in telling the truth. You didn't have to out who you say it really was in order to simply post under your real screen name but you didn't because you couldn't. You were caught with your pants down and are still not man enough to admit it.
Again my position regarding your heads has never changed. They are good but not the best. You have never been able to accept that simple opinion and have been searching the shadows ever since you heard that for ghosts that do not exist. I also favor the Paxton over the Roe but I don't have Sean Roe following me around the internet with an AE and screeching about perceived injustices and fabricating plots that don't exist. Good for Roe and bad for Good.
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You wouldn't have paid up, like when you crawfished out of paying Dell a measely $10,000 for a better way to strap a car down on a dyno.
What I did on the LKN deal is called "Taking one for the team". I know who it is now, and like Josh did not reveal who Valve Seals was, I have the same right.
I have a better deal for you.
Go fuck yourself.
How did Chris or UGR weasel out of paying money to a guy (JID) who was never needed to accomplish this task? Delusional episodes run deep in your "camp". That, and of course hair loss as well.
I am proud of you Greg for finally having the balls to toss rocks at the big kids without standing behind your blanky. (LKN). I just don't believe anything you could do today would erase the EPIC ballgag placed in your mouth just days ago when your AE was silenced.
"Have you seen Greg Good" will live in infamy here.
For as few Vipers there are on the road, and maybe even fewer people who get shit done to them...all of this corn hole'ing is pretty amazing!
Between hiding behind AE's, ripping tuners, the camps, the personal attacks, the lies, and threats...is there a tuner or person involved in any of this that can be trusted? It's just a fucking car...and a Dodge at that!
I was just trying to part with the issue. I have run Greg's heads and was very happy. I just felt compelled to pat Josh and Krazy on the back because I gave them a ton of grief and really shit all over them by telling them they were completely full of it. They weren't, and I was wrong. That is all I have.
[quote=Greg Good Cylinder Heads;1039329]Dissecting JohhnyBravo's post some.
JB: Kevin suggested having the heads flowed
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Kevin claimed above that you ordered the heads flowed somewhere else. Quote from above: "I had a customer ask me to check them out ". So which was it? Neither of you claim to have initiated it. Not that it matters. It does show that one of you is into story telling.
That discussion took place back in October of 2007, some 8 months ago. The way I recall it, Kevin suggested the flow test. Perhaps that was implied when I asked him to "check them out", which I did ask him to do. I asked him to "check them out" because we already knew the springs were not correct for the cam. Maybe that is why they were flowed as well. But as you said, it doesn't really matter. The fact is, Kevin took them to three different places to have them flow tested for me.
JB: I did NOT mention the flow numbers. He offered to change out the springs for no charge so that they would work with the new cam. At this point, I had already heard the flow numbers and Kevin and I had pretty much made the decision not to use them.
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So the phony flow tests persuaded you to not use the heads. I'm glad we have that established.
If you would have read farther down in my post, I stated that the ultimate decision not to use the heads you ported were not related to flow numbers. For example, I wanted to get the car back together, and didn't want to mess with shipping them back and forth from NC to TX to have springs changed. It worked out better time wise to use the JM heads which were already built for a higher lift cam. Furthermore, if there was ever a problem with the motor, I knew for sure that Underground would take care of it as long as every single part on the car was installed and tuned by them. It was risk management. Finally, and probably most importantly, they were MY heads. I paid for them. I could have thrown them off a bridge or run over them with a truck if I wanted to. I owned them. Why I decided not to use something I purchased with my own money isn't really relevant. But I have told you, nonetheless.
JB:Greg apparently turned around and called Joe Donovan, because Joe Donovan then called me. Joe said, “Dude, I didn’t steal your heads.” I didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. He said that Greg had told him about the low flow numbers and wanted to make sure that Joe didn’t “accidentally” ship out a set of stock heads and keep the ported ones. So Joe goes on to assure me that the heads that Justin shipped to UGR were the heads he got from Greg and that he didn’t screw me or steal my heads. I knew he wouldn’t do that, and I never suggested he would. But that’s apparently how Joe Donovan found out about the flow numbers.
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Completely not true. When I called you that evening it was because I had been told that you said the heads were "junk". In our discussion I brought up the possibility that the wrong heads may have accidentally been sent to Kevin. It happens. I later called Joe Donovan myself to inform him of what I had said, and that in no way did I say or think he had done anything dishonest. I did not want him to hear it twisted around by others. Also, and this is important, I didn't inform Joe of the flow numbers. He knew of them before I did.
Your account is not accurate. I went back through the PM's to make sure that I had my dates correct. I did not call your heads "junk". It is a FACT that I never talked to Joe Donovan until AFTER you called him. That's the sequence of events. You called Joe, Joe called me. I stand by my account of what happened. After you sent me the PM on November 18, 2007 asking me "if you should just go fuck yourself" and telling me that "you don't want your heads on a UGR car anyway", I called Kevin. Kevin thought it was ridiculous that any vendor would throw such a fit and blow up at a customer over something like that. He said that I shouldn't be in the middle of this mess and that he'd call you to tell you what was going on. That's how that went down.
JB:As of that date, as far as I know only 4 people on the planet knew about the two sets of bad flow numbers: Kevin, Greg, Joe and me. That’s it. They were never published online. Nobody ever said anything negative about Greg or his heads. Nothing. We kept it between ourselves, offline. It was not “spread all around the Viper world” as stated.
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Again, not completely accurate. I don't know how many people you told. I have one witness. But Josh has written here on this board that Kevin told him of the low numbers, so obviously Kevin was speading it around. And if Josh knows something, he pretty much tells everybody.
I don't know who told who and apparently neither do you. I can say that I never saw anything posted online defaming you or your product. If the worst that happened is a few UGR customers, who weren't going to use your product anyway, heard about it, then so what. I'm not convinced that very many people knew anything at all, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of "spread through the Viper community."
JB:There were never any “phony” flow sheets. There was never any “slander spread all over the Viper community”. What happened, happened. Those are the facts. They were my heads, so I know.
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You can call the first two flow sheets what you want. I suppose you would like to pick some innane word for them, but the truth is that they were inaccurate, caused you to not use them, and were further used as a vehicle to harm my work reputation.
Phony implies that they were generated falsely. It's not like they were photoshopped, for crying out loud. They were flow sheets. Whether the tests were performed correctly or not, I don't know. Whose to say that the first two flow tests weren't correct and the third one was artificially high? It doesn't matter. They're my heads and I decided not to use them on this build. But to imply that the flow sheets were intentionally falsified is libelous and reckless. This is not the same as trying to get a dyno operator to skew dyno numbers to try to make someone look bad. Those tactics are reserved for others that you know.
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There is nothing wrong with checking something that you bought. But when there is a discrepancy in test results, the man you bought the part from (that's me) should be notified immediately. You and Kevin both made the conscious decision to keep me out of the loop. Why? I don't know, but it couldn't have been anything good. I *suspect* that it was thought that the longer the fasle flow data was kept under the radar screen the more mileage could be had from it.
Your suspicions are incorrect. Frankly, keeping the first two flow tests on the down low was the best thing that could have happened for you. It allowed Kevin to get them flowed a third time and the matter to be dropped before the entire internet community had heard about the first ones.
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I am also disappointed in you Mark. You are without a doubt one of the worst customers I've ever had. I could have done without the dishonesty and scheming. I did you an awesome set of heads, you even accepted over $800 in free labor I performed on your intake so the car would run faster, then didn't have the courtesy to give me a "heads up" on the bogus flow tests that I had a right to.
Dishonesty and scheming? What the hell are you talking about? I paid you for your heads. My duty as a customer is to timely pay you for your work. I did that. I paid you approximately half up front and I paid you the balance before you shipped them, exactly as you asked. You were paid in full for everything. I only wish I had clients who were as bad as me. After I paid for them, the heads were mine. I could use them as a doorstop or throw them off a bridge into the ocean just to see how much of a splash they'd make. They're MINE.
You were given a "heads up" on the flow numbers. Kevin called you to tell you about them. That's why there was a third test. You act like you're the victim here. You're not. You were paid, I got heads that passed one out of 3 flow tests and now I'M the one stuck in the middle. I'd say I'm pretty much the one getting fucked. I've never been in a position where I paid a vendor for a service and then been told I'm the worst customer ever. That's just plain shitty, Greg. Honestly. As for the ported lower manifold, you can take that up with Joe Donovan. To this day, a year and a half later, I've still never seen it. Although based on a discussion with a fellow Viper owner in STL, I think I have a pretty good idea where it went. But it sure as hell wasn't on my car. Again, I am the one who paid for something (or was comped something) and didn't receive the benefit of it.
I'm not even going to get back into the whole Lonely K&N thing again. That part is even more disappointing than the rest of this story.
You wouldn't have paid up, like when you crawfished out of paying Dell a measely $10,000 for a better way to strap a car down on a dyno.
What I did on the LKN deal is called "Taking one for the team". I know who it is now, and like Josh did not reveal who Valve Seals was, I have the same right.
I have a better deal for you.
Go fuck yourself.
You had a couple of weeks to come up with yet another lie and that's the best you could do? You should run your fabricated stories by someone with a rational mind before trying to run shit like this. You didn't have to reveal who K&N was in order to simply own screen name, you just had to post. Just when I think you can't possibly embarrass yourself further, you find a way to take it another level lower. I'm actually starting to think you may be a mythomaniac.
Here are the symptoms that describe your condition:
Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc.
Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.
May have a personality disorder.
Extremely manipulative.
Has been caught in lies repeatedly.
Never fesses up to lies.
Is a legend in their own mind.
Now if that doesn't hit you between the eyes I don't know what it would take. To show you that I'm not the beast you are portraying me to be, I am making you this offer. If you agree to get treatment for your disorder, I will pay the first 50k of the treatment. You must of course document your costs with a reputable doctor and make progress in becoming an upstanding member of the board and knock off your slimy back door dealings. If it turns out you suffer from this condition due to years of inhaling aluminum dust because you didn't realize you had been replaced by a CNC machine long ago, I will even publicly apologize for picking on mental cripple. Deal?
Here's the deal Greg No Good. Since I busted you straight up on the Lonely K&N deal, you couldn't of acted more guilty than if you jumped in a white bronco with Al Cowlings and headed south on the 405 freeway with a gun to your head.
Tell you what, why don't you just give the mods permission to set the record straight about whether or not Lonely K&N was ever your registered AE. Deal?
WAR THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Seems to me that you, Greg, stand to lose the most by being the "patsy" like you claim. The others in your camp don't make a living at this shit. People learning of your LNK affiliation have already voiced their disgust and disbelief of you in both pm's to myself and others, as well as in front of all eyes here. Why would you have an issue asking the Moderators to at least clear your name without divulging which of your friends you claim to be taking the fall for? Simply put, because although several members here used that AE, YOU are the one it is registered to. That is the simple fact here. You have yet another opportunity to make us look a fool I guess. I wonder why you aren't taking it?
