I understand what you are saying but I still disagree. I do not believe it erased the fact that Nick was negligent. If you look up my posts here, not only do I not support Nick Hogan, I truly despise the guy and I don't even know him.
What I am saying is a major problem with our society is people not being held accountable for their actions. Yes you can relate this to Nick, but not directly. Nick is being held accountable for his and John's actions. Nick's actions were wreckless driving, etc. Johns actions were making a bad decision, one where he had the necessary information to make the correct one, but still chose wrong. There is a pattern of logic here that supports my reasoning:
1. Everyone knows Nick has fast cars, especially his friends
2. Everyone knows that according to his record he is a poor driver
3. With this knowledge, his friend's parents approved (seemingly) of the two hanging out
4. With this knowledge, and the assumption his parents approved, Nick's friend knowlingly got into the automobile, and CHOSE not to wear a seatbelt.
5. And then there is all that follows. Nick was negligent.
THis is not a commercial service. THis is not a business. There are no expectations of Nick when riding in his car. Actually, there are. There is an expectation to go racing and look cool. His friend chose that, and most likely due to his age, was too dumb to see the real risk involved. Even if he had worn his seatbelt he still made the decision to ride with someone who he knew was a reckless driver.
He played, and he got hurt. Arguing about Hogan's negligence, to me, is liking arguing that playground makers are negligent because they make playsets where kids can fall and get hurt. Yes, if a kid falls from 10 ft, he/she can and might be hurt. Does that mean that the playground company should be accountable? It was not a faulty system. The design was clear and there are no ifs ands or buts. Same goes for getting in the car with Nick. The nature of the situation was clear.
One more analogy. You go hang out with a friend at his house. This friend happens to be a drug dealer. You know he is a drug dealer, but you go anyways. A rival dealer happens to attack while you are there, and you are shot in the leg being left paralyzed from the waste down. This is analagous to the Hogan situation. SOme asshole attorney will argue that the drug dealing friend was negligent for dealing out of his house so he should be responsible for what happened to his friend. WRONG. You make choices and you are accountable for those choices. You ride witha drunk friend and you die, I agree it is a tragedy but ultimately it was your fault. No one forced you to ride.
The type of philosophy that wants to hold people accountable for other people's fuck ups is a major force dragging this country down, IMO. If I had to label the two things that have and will continue to destroy our country based on an "ipso fact relationship", they would be 1. The Media and 2. Lawyers.
THis is all about money. The only thing the Hogans owe that family is medical expenses. Why should his family profit because their son fucked up.
I think people need a little Reminder: LIFE IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT A FAIRYTALE. NO ONE OWES YOU YOUR LIFE. IT IS NO ONE"S RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP YOU A LIVE. YOU CAN GET HURT. YOU CAN DIE. IT IS REAL. LIFE IS REAL. TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS, and GROW UP!
P.S. THis is not directed towards anyone. Just venting about the way things are going these days
I understand what you are saying and agree for the most part. But this is the good old US of A where you can sue Mcdonalds because you spilled cofee on yourself. Regardless of who's at fault Nick Hogan is still a fucking spoiled little douchbag that in the long run got off real easy. I'm sure he will get his though, just wait till he get's a little older.
I understand what you are saying but I still disagree. I do not believe it erased the fact that Nick was negligent. If you look up my posts here, not only do I not support Nick Hogan, I truly despise the guy and I don't even know him.
What I am saying is a major problem with our society is people not being held accountable for their actions. Yes you can relate this to Nick, but not directly. Nick is being held accountable for his and John's actions. Nick's actions were wreckless driving, etc. Johns actions were making a bad decision, one where he had the necessary information to make the correct one, but still chose wrong. There is a pattern of logic here that supports my reasoning:
1. Everyone knows Nick has fast cars, especially his friends
2. Everyone knows that according to his record he is a poor driver
3. With this knowledge, his friend's parents approved (seemingly) of the two hanging out
4. With this knowledge, and the assumption his parents approved, Nick's friend knowlingly got into the automobile, and CHOSE not to wear a seatbelt.
5. And then there is all that follows. Nick was negligent.
THis is not a commercial service. THis is not a business. There are no expectations of Nick when riding in his car. Actually, there are. There is an expectation to go racing and look cool. His friend chose that, and most likely due to his age, was too dumb to see the real risk involved. Even if he had worn his seatbelt he still made the decision to ride with someone who he knew was a reckless driver.
He played, and he got hurt. Arguing about Hogan's negligence, to me, is liking arguing that playground makers are negligent because they make playsets where kids can fall and get hurt. Yes, if a kid falls from 10 ft, he/she can and might be hurt. Does that mean that the playground company should be accountable? It was not a faulty system. The design was clear and there are no ifs ands or buts. Same goes for getting in the car with Nick. The nature of the situation was clear.
One more analogy. You go hang out with a friend at his house. This friend happens to be a drug dealer. You know he is a drug dealer, but you go anyways. A rival dealer happens to attack while you are there, and you are shot in the leg being left paralyzed from the waste down. This is analagous to the Hogan situation. SOme asshole attorney will argue that the drug dealing friend was negligent for dealing out of his house so he should be responsible for what happened to his friend. WRONG. You make choices and you are accountable for those choices. You ride witha drunk friend and you die, I agree it is a tragedy but ultimately it was your fault. No one forced you to ride.
The type of philosophy that wants to hold people accountable for other people's fuck ups is a major force dragging this country down, IMO. If I had to label the two things that have and will continue to destroy our country based on an "ipso fact relationship", they would be 1. The Media and 2. Lawyers.
THis is all about money. The only thing the Hogans owe that family is medical expenses. Why should his family profit because their son fucked up.
I think people need a little Reminder: LIFE IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT A FAIRYTALE. NO ONE OWES YOU YOUR LIFE. IT IS NO ONE"S RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP YOU A LIVE. YOU CAN GET HURT. YOU CAN DIE. IT IS REAL. LIFE IS REAL. TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS, and GROW UP!
P.S. THis is not directed towards anyone. Just venting about the way things are going these days
While I agree with the 'theory' of your comments (ie - personal responsibility), I believe it applies to everyone involved. There were people that clearly did illegal 'things'. Bad things.. Why should John face this alone? Yes, he made a mistake by not wearing his belt. Yes, he made a mistake by driving with Nick (previous history + drinking). And he is going to pay for that mistake the rest of his life. But again, that doesn't excuse Nick & Hulk for the part they played in this tragedy. Ultimately, the driver is responsible for the passengers safety.
Not to mention do you realize how much money this guys medical expenses are going to be? Let me give you a ballpark. I know someone that was in the hospital for 60 days (needed 24 hour care). The bill was 1/2 million. For 60 days!!! And that did not include the surgical cost of different procedures. Now, you have this young man that has already been in the hospital for what, a year? And will need medical assistance for the rest of his life? I'm not sure the Hogan's total worth will be enough to cover this bill.
Last edited by onerareviper : May 28th, 2008 at 04:24 PM.
I have LittleCock13 on ignore, so I didn't see his post until quoted.
First of all, Graziano is a Marine that has been to Iraq. I seriously doubt his parents had any say so in whom he was hanging out with.
Second, how the fuck do you know whether or not a seatbelt would have changed the outcome? Are you fucking clairvoyant? With that impact he could have hit his head on anything in the car and still have a closed head injury. Same result. Sure, he absolutely should have been strapped in. But unless I missed it, you are not a biomechanical engineer that has studied his injuries and the car wreckage and rendered an expert opinion stating that the absence of a seatbelt is what caused his vegetative state.
Third, your playground analogy is idiotic. For your information dumbass, there are regulations and guidelines on the manufacture and placement of playground equipment. Unless those regulations are deviated from in some shape or fashion there is no case against the manufacturer and/or the playground. You don't just go file a lawsuit without knowing these things because they are too expensive to bring. You have no clue what costs are involved in a lawsuit.
I'm not even going to address how fucking stupid your drug dealer example is other than to say I hope you get caught in the crossfire but the bong is not damaged.
Fourth, since this kid was active duty I'll bet the U.S. government has been picking up the tab on a lot of his meds. He is probably on Social Security Disability and Medicaid now. The government gets repaid out of any settlement. If the kid's guardian didn't bring suit against the Hogans you can believe the U.S. Attorney General's office would do so to recoup some of the bills.
Fifth, you're talking out of your ass. On one hand you want parents to take responsibility for their kids' actions ala Graziano and the swingsets of America's playgrounds, but yet you never mention the Hogans' recklessness in repeatedly giving their teenager cars he could not drive and alcohol he could not handle.
Here's a lesson for you: Recklessness trumps carelessness.
BTW, aren't you the one that followed the Mercedes guy around at TX2K8 snapping pictures of him after your buddy had a run in with him and then proceeded to put those pictures all over the web ?
I guarantee that if your buddy had crashed his Audi and crippled your ass the last motherfucking words out of your mouth would be "Tough shit, I deserved what I got".
So yeah, your opinion means a lot.
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Last edited by boplaw : May 28th, 2008 at 05:44 PM.
I have LittleCock13 on ignore, so I didn't see his post until quoted.
First of all, Graziano is a Marine that has been to Iraq. I seriously doubt his parents had any say so in whom he was hanging out with.
Second, how the fuck do you know whether or not a seatbelt would have changed the outcome? Are you fucking clairvoyant? With that impact he could have hit his head on anything in the car and still have a closed head injury. Same result. Sure, he absolutely should have been strapped in. But unless I missed it, you are not a biomechanical engineer that has studied his injuries and the car wreckage and rendered an expert opinion stating that the absence of a seatbelt is what caused his vegetative state.
Third, your playground analogy is idiotic. For your information dumbass, there are regulations and guidelines on the manufacture and placement of playground equipment. Unless those regulations are deviated from in some shape or fashion there is no case against the manufacturer and/or the playground. You don't just go file a lawsuit without knowing these things because they are too expensive to bring. You have no clue what costs are involved in a lawsuit.
I'm not even going to address how fucking stupid your drug dealer example is other than to say I hope you get caught in the crossfire but the bong is not damaged.
Fourth, since this kid was active duty I'll bet the U.S. government has been picking up the tab on a lot of his meds. He is probably on Social Security Disability and Medicaid now. The government gets repaid out of any settlement. If the kid's guardian didn't bring suit against the Hogans you can believe the U.S. Attorney General's office would do so to recoup some of the bills.
Fifth, you're talking out of your ass. On one hand you want parents to take responsibility for their kids' actions ala Graziano and the swingsets of America's playgrounds, but yet you never mention the Hogans' recklessness in repeatedly giving their teenager cars he could not drive and alcohol he could not handle.
Here's a lesson for you: Recklessness trumps carelessness.
BTW, aren't you the one that followed the Mercedes guy around at TX2K8 snapping pictures of him after your buddy had a run in with him and then proceeded to put those pictures all over the web ?
I guarantee that if your buddy had crashed his Audi and crippled your ass the last motherfucking words out of your mouth would be "Tough shit, I deserved what I got".
I have LittleCock13 on ignore, so I didn't see his post until quoted.
First of all, Graziano is a Marine that has been to Iraq. I seriously doubt his parents had any say so in whom he was hanging out with.
Second, how the fuck do you know whether or not a seatbelt would have changed the outcome? Are you fucking clairvoyant? With that impact he could have hit his head on anything in the car and still have a closed head injury. Same result. Sure, he absolutely should have been strapped in. But unless I missed it, you are not a biomechanical engineer that has studied his injuries and the car wreckage and rendered an expert opinion stating that the absence of a seatbelt is what caused his vegetative state.
Third, your playground analogy is idiotic. For your information dumbass, there are regulations and guidelines on the manufacture and placement of playground equipment. Unless those regulations are deviated from in some shape or fashion there is no case against the manufacturer and/or the playground. You don't just go file a lawsuit without knowing these things because they are too expensive to bring. You have no clue what costs are involved in a lawsuit.
I'm not even going to address how fucking stupid your drug dealer example is other than to say I hope you get caught in the crossfire but the bong is not damaged.
Fourth, since this kid was active duty I'll bet the U.S. government has been picking up the tab on a lot of his meds. He is probably on Social Security Disability and Medicaid now. The government gets repaid out of any settlement. If the kid's guardian didn't bring suit against the Hogans you can believe the U.S. Attorney General's office would do so to recoup some of the bills.
Fifth, you're talking out of your ass. On one hand you want parents to take responsibility for their kids' actions ala Graziano and the swingsets of America's playgrounds, but yet you never mention the Hogans' recklessness in repeatedly giving their teenager cars he could not drive and alcohol he could not handle.
Here's a lesson for you: Recklessness trumps carelessness.
BTW, aren't you the one that followed the Mercedes guy around at TX2K8 snapping pictures of him after your buddy had a run in with him and then proceeded to put those pictures all over the web ?
I guarantee that if your buddy had crashed his Audi and crippled your ass the last motherfucking words out of your mouth would be "Tough shit, I deserved what I got".
So yeah, your opinion means a lot.
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Last edited by kungfool : May 28th, 2008 at 08:28 PM.
obviously I think nick is a complete douche, but I don't see how he can be held financially acctble when his passenger chose not to wear a seatbelt. not wearing a seatbelt as a passenger seems a lot like an unwritten liability waiver if you ask me
In the state of Illinois, the driver is responsible for the passengers in the vehicle. If you are driving a car and get pulled over, if the pass. is not wearing a seatbelt you will be issued a ticket for that. It is called responsibility. You dictate what happens in the car. If you are going to endanger them you had better give them the best chance at surviving. Kid is a major fuckup and Dad is not far behind. Time in jail is not enough punishment IMHO.
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