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Old May 12th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #1
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Arrow In the Search for the Great Weapon of Unification!!!!!!!!!!more exclamations!!!!!! :)

A simple, yet detailed concept of Unification has troubled humanity for centuries.

Why do we separate? How did it start?

I ask myself everyday about our differences, and how they are not just tearing us apart, but making us strangers to one another.

Are we putting aside our core human traits and beliefs for our small differences?

I ask you, as well as myself; What is the best weapon or tool for unification?

One may imply:

1.) Religion: Great concept, but since religion is written in general terms that is interpreted diversely, it motivates difference. In its difference, we are confused, which branches of to many other conflicts, as we see today.

2.) Race/Nation: Powerful concept, but would you want to unify countries with the foundation of race or ethnicity? In this concept, you must always seek an enemy or out-group to differentiate the superior and the weak, in which, leads to Fascism (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin).

3.) Land: Effective concept that we see working well today, but this idea motivates the traits of humans that we should not seek. This idea inspires human greed and selfishness.

The great question that I would like to discuss with is the tool that you would choose for unification. I ask this, because the rewards of a unified life is beyond our imagination.

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Old May 12th, 2008, 04:31 PM   #2
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Anything related to bewbies seems to unite VA. So whynot try it on a bigger scale?
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It's bad enough to have to sift through this babble on one site, it is worse when you post the same damn questions on all the others you belong too.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2022981

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I would say race. You don't have to look far to see it works.

Look outside. Birds, bugs, and various other animals. Nature segregates. Blue jays and mockingbirds don't hang out. Lions and tigers don't hang out. Monkeys and Gorillas don't hang out. Etc. Etc. Etc.

THis is the structure of mother nature. They do interact however. This is the key difference between nature's segregation and the segregation we humans tried in the not too distant past. We were grouped by race, and segregated. The key is to group, and not segregate.

In this day and age, multiculturalism is forced down our throats. In college, nearly every class is constantly preaching diversity. I have been basically taught that in order to be successful you must be diverse. There is such an agenda about pushing us all together instead of doing it naturally.

What I think might work, would be separate communities (not forced, just allowed) with common meeting areas. Meaning, whites could have their neighborhoods, blacks could have theirs, asians could have theirs, and it would be up to them whether or not they allow other races to live in their neighborhoods via majority vote. If the community is small enough, it could all be a race. As far as cities go, there has to be common areas (venues, parks, etc.) where all races congregate. But private establishments may also exist.

The basic idea is following nature's path. Like I mentioned earlier, these animals don't typically chill with each other, however, the do chill in the same places for the most part. They might share a tree, or even a branch.... But when it comes to migration, mating, etc. they stick with their own

This is all hypothetical and if something had to be done, what I feel has the best chance of success. One reason this will never happen, it will highlight the true differences between the races and might make some look better than others. Media won't be able to twist it anymore if, let's say, some of the communities are clean and have low crime, while other communities fall into crime.
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Standard of Living. Mankind is less contentious with higher standards of living.

Oddly enough also less religious, less prolific, and less likely to worry about racial issues.
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Thanks guy for the great feedback...

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It's bad enough to have to sift through this babble on one site, it is worse when you post the same damn questions on all the others you belong too.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2022981

Glad I do not own a Miata or I would have seen this 3 times today.
I apologize for your inconvenience of clicking the same thread twice. I happen to be a part of both car communities, and I value both of the crowd...

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I have to agree that money/social status would be the most realistic
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Standard of Living. Mankind is less contentious with higher standards of living.

Oddly enough also less religious, less prolific, and less likely to worry about racial issues.
As Americans, we have the highest standard of living on the face of the earth as measured in material terms. We are not the happiest and are most likely to get involved in the affairs of other countries that we feel may threaten this dominance. We have 7 percent of the world's population and use 50% of the world's resources, but think China and India need to do something about their double digit increases in oil, coal, etc.

A common set of universallly regarded values would be a good start. This is what religion attempts to do before it deviates into "if you believe like me you are going to heaven and if you don't believe like me you are going to hell."

Even religions that fall under the same umbrella of "Christian" make this same devide among themselves.

What if our ecomomy gets so bad as a result of the cheap labor of ongoing globalization that every kid can't have a cell phone, car and $150 jeans? Would it really be such a shame to be a bit less "me and my stuff" focused and to put more emphasis on more important things?

Of course, a Viper forum is the wrong place to be raising the issue that having your worth measured by material goods may not be the best thing. We got it from our parents role model, our kids get it from our role model, and then we wonder how they got to be that way. That is the way Americans measure their success and worth.
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As Americans, we have the highest standard of living on the face of the earth as measured in material terms. We are not the happiest and are most likely to get involved in the affairs of other countries that we feel may threaten this dominance. We have 7 percent of the world's population and use 50% of the world's resources, but think China and India need to do something about their double digit increases in oil, coal, etc.

A common set of universallly regarded values would be a good start. This is what religion attempts to do before it deviates into "if you believe like me you are going to heaven and if you don't believe like me you are going to hell."

Even religions that fall under the same umbrella of "Christian" make this same devide among themselves.

What if our ecomomy gets so bad as a result of the cheap labor of ongoing globalization that every kid can't have a cell phone, car and $150 jeans? Would it really be such a shame to be a bit less "me and my stuff" focused and to put more emphasis on more important things?

Of course, a Viper forum is the wrong place to be raising the issue that having your worth measured by material goods may not be the best thing. We got it from our parents role model, our kids get it from our role model, and then we wonder how they got to be that way. That is the way Americans measure their success and worth.
Both shocked and amazed to read a comment like this on the Viper forum. Your idea seems to fall under the guidelines of Socialism and maybe Communism. All working together for the benefit of all, and Religion itself having no place, other than having a set of proper moral system. As Karl Marx put it, "The End of History." Great theory, but it falls apart for me when it it the model stops at Advanced Communism, and we do not evolve further.

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I am more of a believer that every man has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than a socialist or communist. I don't believe that material goods necessarily lead to greater happiness.

The US ranks 16th in the world in happiness and 24th in the world in lifespan.

Additional findings on how individuals rate their level of happiness from the survey that rated the US 16th are as follows:

"Factors that make people happy may vary from one country to the next with personal success and self-expression being seen as the most important in the US, while in Japan, fulfilling the expectations of family and society is valued more highly.

The survey appears to confirm the old adage that money cannot buy happiness.

PATH TO HAPPINESS

Genetic propensity to happiness
Marriage
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The researchers for World Values Survey described the desire for material goods as "a happiness suppressant".

They say happiness levels have remained virtually the same in industrialised countries since World War II, although incomes have risen considerably".

This may indicate that once basic needs are met, that working harder for additional and less necessary material goods may not improve an individuals sense of happiness. At some point, things you own comes to own you as well and you may not find time to enjoy or appreciate them.
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I am more of a believer that every man has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than a socialist or communist. I don't believe that material goods necessarily lead to greater happiness.

The US ranks 16th in the world in happiness and 24th in the world in lifespan.

Additional findings on how individuals rate their level of happiness from the survey that rated the US 16th are as follows:

"Factors that make people happy may vary from one country to the next with personal success and self-expression being seen as the most important in the US, while in Japan, fulfilling the expectations of family and society is valued more highly.

The survey appears to confirm the old adage that money cannot buy happiness.

PATH TO HAPPINESS

Genetic propensity to happiness
Marriage
Make friends and value them
Desire less
Do someone a good turn
Have faith (religious or not)
Stop comparing your looks with others
Earn more money
Grow old gracefully
Don't worry if you're not a genius

The researchers for World Values Survey described the desire for material goods as "a happiness suppressant".

They say happiness levels have remained virtually the same in industrialised countries since World War II, although incomes have risen considerably".

This may indicate that once basic needs are met, that working harder for additional and less necessary material goods may not improve an individuals sense of happiness. At some point, things you own comes to own you as well and you may not find time to enjoy or appreciate them.
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Nigeria tops happiness survey
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O focurse those fuckers are so happy. They suckered countless idiots to send them money!
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Seven years to be exact... 3 1/2 years of a false worldly peace and the other 3 1/2 years is pure chaos leading to the war of Armageddon which thankfully wont happen since Jesus will come to put a stop to all of it for good.

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War is the best tool to unite and seperate. Whichever it lends to depends on who you are fighting. Unfortunately we have only each other to fight, which leads to seperation, however as soon as we find some aliens we will all be happy campers here on earth.