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Old May 14th, 2008, 06:57 AM   #41
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Evil..you pm'd me...So you say you have an opinion on this..I like to see your case on how the seat belts would have made a difference when the gaurd rail cut them in half..And about calling you out??Listen punk..I been on this board for ages..I don't need to sink down to your stupidity on a post like this...One day, when your family member passes away and you post on here..I'll make a dump post about it ..Good luck in the VA..From this point on your are called Mr.Dick Head...
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Old May 14th, 2008, 09:52 AM   #42
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Folks: You are making statement of fact from a grainy image. The only ones who will know what exactly happened is the folks on scene, and the accident reconstruction team.

Yes, we know the car can bite back when the driver becomes complacent or over confident. There are several points that could have changed the end results, but the Monday morning quarterbacking right now will help no one. Two folks are dead, and there are kids without parents.

No amount of picking the accident apart will change this.

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The girlfriend is on top of me over this. She is very much bothered by this since she knows the family.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 10:25 AM   #43
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Totally Agree On That..no One Is Picking..the Fact Is Evil Is A Weird No Heart Soul.. He Is Just Trying To Be A Prick..
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Old May 14th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #44
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why is there always an asshole in the group. evil, you are just classless. hang your head in shame.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 06:58 PM   #45
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I have been reading up on this in over on VCA, there is another dick head over there saying bad things as well.
Hard to believe that such heartless comments are comming out of the Viper community.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 07:02 PM   #46
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I have been reading up on this in over on VCA, there is another dick head over there saying bad things as well.
Hard to believe that such heartless comments are comming out of the Viper community.
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I don't post at the other site, but it should be said that Evil is on his own with this one. EVERYONE on this board feels extremely bad for the family and friends left behind. What a terrible incident.

Evils comments should be deleted as they make us all look bad. A ban might not be a bad idea as well .
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Old May 14th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #47
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Old May 14th, 2008, 07:28 PM   #48
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Everybody makes a bad decision now and then, they obviously made a couple that night. Haven't we all done something stupid but maybe we got away with it? You know, the time you drove home shitfaced drunk, or the time you raced that guy on the street but it was a little crowded, but you did anyway? You got away with it...that time.

Nevertheless they left children, and parents and brothers and sisters that are now deeply hurt and forever changed and it just took an instant to lose control of that car. That could have been anybody in a weak moment, I wouldn't cast stones. Very sad.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 11:53 PM   #49
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I'm going to say in Evil's defense that as a Libertarian (and that is what he is) the concept of responsibility for one's action's is where he's coming from. I've seen folks that are victims of their own poor judgment being treated a lot worse on this board than what Evil has said about this couple. I see terms like "Darwin Award" being bandied about quite often. I think that as an upper middle class couple with children and similar interests to ours we are naturally going to be as a group more empathetic to them than say some black people in New Orleans, some kids drag racing, etc.

I don't think Evil was particularly tactful and came claws out when backed into a corner but there is nothing he said that hasn't been said on this board by someone else in some way at one time or another in some other circumstance. It's part of the Alley culture right or wrong.

I'm not sure if the comment about banning him was serious or not but geez, give it a rest unless you want this the be Martha Stewart's New Viper Alley.

That being said perhaps we can all be a little more taciturn when we comment about other people's tragedies for which we don't understand the circumstances, will never know the reasons, and hopefully will never feel the pain that these families will never escape. Maybe simply pointing out that seatbelts are always a good idea without attaching a value judgement.

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I'm not sure if the comment about banning him was serious or not but geez, give it a rest unless you want this the be Martha Stewart's New Viper Alley.
I meant he might deserve a time out. It's one thing to make a completely unthought out comment, rude and completely oblivious to those whom it might hurt. And it's another to back it up when someone on here knows those who were killed. A simple "sorry", (and then deleteing the post) would have shown class, and taste.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #52
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Vanishing point has a point.............
Yes he does. And so does Evil. Obviously some people don't have any class. If a couple couldn't take the stress of life and committed suicide it would still be a tragedy for the kids. To say "karma" implies they deserved to die because they didn't have seat belts on. If thats the case karma should kill all of us for something.
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You know.I read everyones comments and I read Evils and Vanish point.I still don't understand the point about KARMA.Let's say these people didn't wear there belts.Would that have prevented them from saving them?I highly doubt it. As everyone has seen pictures of the car, there is no way belts or no belts that they would have survived. The problem in the forum, the idiot that made the remark.It's not about the people, the car, all that was posted from the get go.It's about the shit remarks he made.It's tasteless and really nasty. I shouldn't throw the stone because of my pass but I have heart.I don't make fun of anyones tragedy.If someone, vanishing point? Can you please explain what Karma has to do with this tragic accident. As for Evil. I thought he was an ok guy..Well, I have my opinions now on this guy.. You will never get any sympathy from this forum if you crossed a situation...
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Maybe karma was a poor choice of words to describe one's accountability for one's own actions, either way VS pretty much hit the nail on the head, it's nice to see at least one person on here not mixing emotion with rational thought. It's also somewhat funny how hypocritical some of you are, whom I distinctly recall making comments in the past wishing bad thoughts for Hillary Clinton, whom has a daughter. If this couple weren't Viper owners, known to some of you, and relatable, you guys would be just as willing to jump on the seat belt angle bandwagon. If doing so makes me an asshole, oh fucking well. I defy any of you who are calling me out now over this to say you've never made an off color remark stemming from someone else's misery. As for you Tony, you're a shit stirrer and always have been. You may have been here longer than I have, but most of that time was spent banned....for being an idiot. Nice to see some things never change. And lastly for jcasper, whom ever the fuck you are, this is Anything Goes, or have some of your forgotten.
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So I got around to reading the thread on VCA and apparently they were street racing at the time??
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Evil, I was not coming down on you for the comments, but making a statement in general. I've learned that trying to beatdown someone because of the phrases they use, can be misunderstood and hazardous for a calm rational discussion.

If it seems I was going off on you, it was not my intention or goal.

No, I am not a corn husking cracker croaker wimp, but was not looking to start a firestorm.
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Evil, I was not coming down on you for the comments, but making a statement in general. I've learned that trying to beatdown someone because of the phrases they use, can be misunderstood and hazardous for a calm rational discussion.

If it seems I was going off on you, it was not my intention or goal.

No, I am not a corn husking cracker croaker wimp, but was not looking to start a firestorm.