It takes a Lonnnnngggg time to go into a country, blow it up, rebuild it and establish a government.
I think alot of the problem has to due with people thinking we could be in and out in a couple years.
I have believed all along that We will not know the actual outcome of this War for 10, 15, or even 25 years.
You asked why are we still there?
We are protecting our Country from another 9-11. Or something much worse. We are protecting our children's future. We are showing the rest of the World that we will go after them if they are a threat to our Country.
I believe that also but don't you think we actually went after the wrong country>If you recall just a few month before the war started Saddam was actually shitting in his pants .He let inspectors in towards the end but nothing came up. The same time we had Syria and Iran, both hard core fanatical gov'ts which want to put an end to America and Isreal. The bottom line is that all is correct but are we in the right war with the right country???That's what I'm pointing at. I never thought Iraq was in any way some strong country to harm us.With there own war between Iran they were crippled pretty bad. Knowing this why would we go in this country? Why didn't we go into Syria or IRAN.we knew Iran was trying to build nuclear power back then.We knew that the gov't of Syria is a corrupt gov't causing shit in the mid east to keep it unstable. Look at BEIRUT.Syria constantly causes trouble between Christians and Muslims that live there.They assasinated the Beirut PM....So back to what I was saying..Are we in the right war?
I thought this issue was not even debatable anymore. Going into Iraq was obviously the worst decision that a drunken Texan ever made. We have blown billions of dollars and are not finished yet. I can't stand democrat liberals but that money would have served our country much better if we invested it here.
It takes a Lonnnnngggg time to go into a country, blow it up, rebuild it and establish a government.
I think alot of the problem has to due with people thinking we could be in and out in a couple years.
I have believed all along that We will not know the actual outcome of this War for 10, 15, or even 25 years.
You asked why are we still there?
We are protecting our Country from another 9-11. Or something much worse. We are protecting our children's future. We are showing the rest of the World that we will go after them if they are a threat to our Country.
I agree with you on some points, a lot of people are impatient and the way the area is set up it's going to be damn near impossible to just find these bastards walking down the streets. They're in mountains, caves, everywhere. Not to mention the country's at war with itself; the population is split on half hating America and the other half welcoming us.
The part where I disagree with you is why we are there. Although terrorism is a very real threat, we could go after other countries with terrorists in them. Saudi Arabia has terrorists too, and we're not on the best of terms with them either.
When you look at the facts, it's such a hard thing to stop because it's everywhere. There are new cells forming constantly all over the world.
As much as I hate to jump on the bandwagon, I think we're over there for oil. That's a huge export of theirs, we saw the country's political and economic turmoil as an advantage and a reason for us to go over there, get in, and take over. Not to mention, it sets us up nicely in the middle east once we're in there.
I'd really like to believe it's for other reasons, but there's more to it than what they're saying.
I also voted for Bush, and agreed with the war, at first. Now I agree with your thinking, in wondering what the point is. I can't see us pulling out because, since we feel we are the nanny of the world, we'll be right back in there once Iran takes it over. If it was over oil, why the hell am I paying $2.90 to give my Viper a drink? We are too PC to fight a war. THAT'S the botoom line. We will never do what we have to, to end the war. Yet, we can't pull out. what a mess.
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It's pathetic that people didn't ask these questions before we went in and now are regretting the whole thing mostly because of the outcome. If the oil money was paying for the war as promised most would not mind the war, unless you happen to be a soldier or a relative etc., or an Iraqi.
We needed to ask these fucking questions before we went in and most of us didn't.
We need to find Binladin. Don't believe all this other bull shit about Iran and Syria. These countries had nothing to do with 911 and they have been corrupt for many years. If you want to invade then invade Pakastan, that's where Binladen is.
It's pathetic that people didn't ask these questions before we went in and now are regretting the whole thing mostly because of the outcome. If the oil money was paying for the war as promised most would not mind the war, unless you happen to be a soldier or a relative etc., or an Iraqi.
We needed to ask these fucking questions before we went in and most of us didn't.
We need to find Binladin. Don't believe all this other bull shit about Iran and Syria. These countries had nothing to do with 911 and they have been corrupt for many years. If you want to invade then invade Pakastan, that's where Binladen is.
YEAH WE HAD SOME FUCKEN CHOICE TO SAY IF THERE WAS A WAR OR NOT?>??ARE YOU KIDDING ME? wHEN DID THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY SAY IN WAR OR NOT?
It's way too late to discuss WHY we are there.
We are there and I think it's just a start to what's to come. It's possible that we are setting up shop there to have a staging area for the Wars to come. Iran being next, of course.
The World is truely Fucked up over there. And we've got to knock them the fuck out of any position to hurt us over here.
I agree the Bin Laden needs to be hung in front of the entire World, for all to see. I think we are being too nice to Pakistan, and we should have already invaded any area that we believe he may be in. We need to get him.
My worry is that the Next President may just turn his back and walk away from all of this. That's the worse case senerio IMO.
I totally agree, we had no choice as a public, but we do now. People won't give a shit unless they personally are affected, usually this means financially. As long as we are living well most of us don't ask questions about the war, sad but true.
I totally agree, we had no choice as a public, but we do now. People won't give a shit unless they personally are affected, usually this means financially. As long as we are living well most of us don't ask questions about the war, sad but true.
And WAR is good for the economy. Always has been always will be.
I believe that also but don't you think we actually went after the wrong country>If you recall just a few month before the war started Saddam was actually shitting in his pants .He let inspectors in towards the end but nothing came up. The same time we had Syria and Iran, both hard core fanatical gov'ts which want to put an end to America and Isreal. The bottom line is that all is correct but are we in the right war with the right country???That's what I'm pointing at. I never thought Iraq was in any way some strong country to harm us.With there own war between Iran they were crippled pretty bad. Knowing this why would we go in this country? Why didn't we go into Syria or IRAN.we knew Iran was trying to build nuclear power back then.We knew that the gov't of Syria is a corrupt gov't causing shit in the mid east to keep it unstable. Look at BEIRUT.Syria constantly causes trouble between Christians and Muslims that live there.They assasinated the Beirut PM....So back to what I was saying..Are we in the right war?
All I know is if I was playing a real-time strategy game I would definetely want to setup base in the middle of a region I plan on dominating later in the game. But that's only if the superweapons (ie: nukes) were not allowed in the game, otherwise I'd just turtle and put all money into defenses and building up my own economy to drive my war machine.
Look at a map and see where Iraq and Afghanistan are.
Then look right in between them, Iran.
If we control their flanks we're in better shape to squeeze them. The war sucks but I think we have to fight it now or later. And later would be worse and more costly.
Why did we develop the neutron bomb if we aren't going to deploy it?
Some people did question the War from the beginning; most of us were labeled "unpatriotic" for doing so. I felt strongly that containment was working and didn't see a need for this War when there were so many other potential targets to focus on.
Let's be honest; we aren't in a War now, we're Nation Building. We've got our troops working as a police force to keep them from killing each other.
Bush claims that adding to the child healthcare fund is a "budget buster" - the $35 billion program (over 5 years) is about $10 or so billion more than he asked for; yet, on the heals of a partial $50 billion funding program for the War, this program to benefit OUR CHILDREN here at home is a "budget buster". Any wonder why programs to benefit our own people are budget busters when we're spending a trillion dollars rebuilding Iraq? How far would a trillion in spending have gone here domestically to help our own people out of poverty?
Not only did the vast majority of you not ask the right questions, you were willing to be blindly led down the wrong path and label anyone who didn't see it your way a traitor (or worse).
Make no mistake, Bigs, Iraq will not be an ally once we leave. We'll rebuild and then be kicked out by the Iran-backed majority which will make a mockery of our vision for a democratic and "free" Iraq. How ironic will it be after all the fire and brimstone talk about needing democracy in the Middle East if we leave a country in the hands of radical clerics who impose laws even more repressive than under Saddam?
Some people did question the War from the beginning; most of us were labeled "unpatriotic" for doing so. I felt strongly that containment was working and didn't see a need for this War when there were so many other potential targets to focus on.
Let's be honest; we aren't in a War now, we're Nation Building. We've got our troops working as a police force to keep them from killing each other.
Bush claims that adding to the child healthcare fund is a "budget buster" - the $35 billion program (over 5 years) is about $10 or so billion more than he asked for; yet, on the heals of a partial $50 billion funding program for the War, this program to benefit OUR CHILDREN here at home is a "budget buster". Any wonder why programs to benefit our own people are budget busters when we're spending a trillion dollars rebuilding Iraq? How far would a trillion in spending have gone here domestically to help our own people out of poverty?
Not only did the vast majority of you not ask the right questions, you were willing to be blindly led down the wrong path and label anyone who didn't see it your way a traitor (or worse).
Make no mistake, Bigs, Iraq will not be an ally once we leave. We'll rebuild and then be kicked out by the Iran-backed majority which will make a mockery of our vision for a democratic and "free" Iraq. How ironic will it be after all the fire and brimstone talk about needing democracy in the Middle East if we leave a country in the hands of radical clerics who impose laws even more repressive than under Saddam?
You're preaching to the chior MP, I've been on this rollercoaster ride with you from the start, except I've always believed GWB was/is an inept idiot
But this is one situation where I get no satisfaction saying "I told you so"
