This just shows that your logic is poor. If the country defines your rationale on how white people are more fucked up than black people, by necessity it's a nationality thing more than a race thing.
I never said my logic wasn't screwed up. I am comparing whites, blacks, asians, etc. that are born and raised in the US.
Before you can draw any conclusions from any of these statistics you have to normalize them (adjust them) to the population distribution.
Blacks make up roughly 12% of the US population. If "these types" (whatever they are) of crimes (I'll just say "crazy fuckers" as a placeholder) are equally likely to be committed by blacks and whites, you still will see nearly a 7:1 ratio of whites vs. black crazy fuckers.
There might very well be other explanations if the ratio is even higher than that. For example, it's gotta be difficult to be a dirt-poor crazy fucker criminal. You don't have enough idle time and you are too busy trying just to get by (perhaps by committing other more mundane and lucrative crimes). If there is a correlation to overall level of wealth then you might see the ratio of white:black go higher than 7:1 -- not necessarily because it's racial or cultural, but because it is correlated to wealth. To be clear: I am not aware of any data that supports this, I'm just throwing it out here as an example of how the statistics might be misleading. Remember: correlation is not the same as causation.
Lastly, there certainly HAVE been plenty of crazy fucker incidents committed by non-whites. You just don't seem to remember them as much at the moment. Malvo (already mentioned) is a good example.
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Before you can draw any conclusions from any of these statistics you have to normalize them (adjust them) to the population distribution.
Blacks make up roughly 12% of the US population. If "these types" (whatever they are) of crimes (I'll just say "crazy fuckers" as a placeholder) are equally likely to be committed by blacks and whites, you still will see nearly a 7:1 ratio of whites vs. black crazy fuckers.
There might very well be other explanations if the ratio is even higher than that. For example, it's gotta be difficult to be a dirt-poor crazy fucker criminal. You don't have enough idle time and you are too busy trying just to get by (perhaps by committing other more mundane and lucrative crimes). If there is a correlation to overall level of wealth then you might see the ratio of white:black go higher than 7:1 -- not necessarily because it's racial or cultural, but because it is correlated to wealth. To be clear: I am not aware of any data that supports this, I'm just throwing it out here as an example of how the statistics might be misleading. Remember: correlation is not the same as causation.
Lastly, there certainly HAVE been plenty of crazy fucker incidents committed by non-whites. You just don't seem to remember them as much at the moment. Malvo (already mentioned) is a good example.
Good post. You seem to be better at the writing thing than I am. You are correct with my lack of memory regarding the other non-white crimes. I guess when you get so used to hearing about these things to me they always seem to be white crimes. You would think my memory would work the other way as when a black crime is committed like this they should have stuck out even more to me as they are atypical in nature to me like this one here.
The main point should be that crimes are person vs person, colour not withstanding. Yes, there maybe a statistic that states black on black crime may be more likely, but is there a need to be taken over a broad scale?
How many blacks currently live in middle America, vs the coast? Does location make a difference, or is the ability for news to be posted faster? Look at Columbine, as an example. You have two white middle/upper class kids who caused a major shift in teenage crimes. Was it the fact of them being able to produce and procure the weapons that made it so horrific? Or that the helos circling the school like vultures broadcasting that made it look so?
But seriously, when was the last time you heard of a black serial killer or an asian serial killer? I don't think I ever have heard of one before, they are all white. When was the last time you heard of a black woman drowning her kids, hanging her kids, etc? I never have, they have all been white. When was the last time you heard of a black cult leader? All the ones I have ever heard of have been white, Manson, Koresh, the idiots in San Diego who killed themselves in the manison over the comet thing, and the newest one scientology, led by a white guy. Show me the worst thing a black person has done? Maybe a drug dealer or gang member, but I have yet to hear of any physcotic black people out there doing the shit that white people do, or asian, mexicans or any other race in the US, I only hear of white people doing this shit.
You can try and call me a racist, biggot, prejudice, or whatever you want, but none of you have ever met me with the exception of Ron and a couple others and don't know anything about me or where I come from. I am more racially diversed in my family than most people in this country and don't have a racist bone in me, I only speak the truth with things I see.
If I am wrong in my words prove me wrong, but it would be hard to do.
How soon you forget. Remember the DC Snipers? Both black. Remember the guys who blew up the subways in London about a year ago- Asian.
Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Middle-Eastern, whatever...who the hell cares....
I could barely read through it. Think of the look on the mothers face when she had to look at her son having sex with her out of force; absolutely sickening.
This society is turning into a pile of doggy dung by the year, and we are worried about 'global warming'...wtf?! What we need is some good old-fashion arse whooping like our parents did to us, and bring this society of 'new generation' back in-line.
I could barely read through it. Think of the look on the mothers face when she had to look at her son having sex with her out of force; absolutely sickening.
I guess this is why it even complelled me to post about it as I normally do not post news stories or rarely even comment on them. I am just appalled by it everytime I think about it. It has to be a new low for me that society has reached. It is wierd as I don't feel the same way about child molesters, it is wrong but that person molesting is doing it, whereas with this case someone else made them do it. I guess that is the part that is so sick to me. Why would someone force a kid to have sex with their mother and watch? I try and put myself in that kids place and I would probably have a very hard time as an adult getting over that let alone a 12 yr old. I guess this is probably one of the few news stories in awhile that just shocked me and stood out to me. I hear everyday about Iraq, politics, even other serious crimes and they just sort of all blend together but this one really stuck out.
I could barely read through it. Think of the look on the mothers face when she had to look at her son having sex with her out of force; absolutely sickening.
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Honestly, I bet the fucker enjoyed it, everyone here knows it.
I couldn't fuck my mom. I'd be limp in sec. If anyone here can get a hard-on thinking about baggin your mom. You've got real issues. He wasn't force. That's just a cover up.
It still involves non consensual sex, with a minor, and under force. In the eyes of the law, and moral judgement, it's beyond wrong. < Since a majority of our laws are based on a Judeo-Christian ethics> Sure you can put an Edipus Complex on this event, but doesn't effect the reasons it occurred.
And looking at a majority of the replies, I'd be willing to bet that most here would agree, it's wrong and it should be punished under the hardest rules available.
But does race enter into the mix? Could this not have occurred in some WASP town of the mid-west? Or in Amsterdam? Germany? Hell, a majority of the human/animal stag films seem to be produced over there........
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Everyone acts according to previous experiences "your programming". If you live in the upper middle class (as more white people do than black) then you may have been exposed to different things growing up. Perhaps one of the luxuries of being a serial killer is that you blend with society. People never suspect there great neighbor. You cant always tell by looking or talking to someone that they are fucked up. Blacks in my opinion are better known for their drive by shootings and gang shootings. When is the last time you heard of a middle class white guy doing a drive by? About the same time you heard of a black guy being strategic about his next murder. I would agree there are more serial killers that are white. I believe that all these discrepancies are more of the effect than the cause.
About the same time you heard of a black guy being strategic about his next murder.
Beltway Sniper(s).
On the other hand, we have the smiley-face bomb pattern guy. You had to know from the very beginning that of course that was a white guy (and it was, Helder). Only a pasty-white nerd could come up with that gimmick.
If Rockstar ever goes nuts, the map is gonna spell out "Fuck Texas".
WAR CRIME SPREE LOCATIONS THAT LOOK LIKE A CROWN BOTTLE ON THE MAP???
