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Old April 8th, 2006, 07:47 PM   #1
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What do you guys know about this stuff? GM is pushing it big and I'm wondering if they might be on to something.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 07:51 PM   #2
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It is going for about .50 cents cheaper than unleaded here. Burns hot! Must have a flex fuel vehicle or one with steel lines to use it! It will decrease your gas mileage by about 10%.
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Its more expensive here, abot 10 cents or so. Im not really seeing the point.
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That's the ethanol stuff right? I think its great. The farmers been growin a ton of corn for years and now they might have something to do with it. A couple new ethanol production procedures have come about too.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:21 PM   #5
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I guess it's 85% ethanol (corn) and 15% gasoline (middle east fucks). I think you know where I'm going with this. Corn is something that would be pretty difficult to grow in a desert.

Admittedly I don't know much about it. From what I'm understanding all GM cars and some GM trucks are E85 friendly?
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That's the ethanol stuff right? I think its great. The farmers been growin a ton of corn for years and now they might have something to do with it. A couple new ethanol production procedures have come about too.

Speaking of farmers they are opening a huge bio diesel plant in Claypool which is 40 miles west of Fort Wayne.

"The facility will be one of the first biodiesel production plants to be fully integrated with a soybean processing plant, converting about 260,000 metric tons of soybean oil into 80 million gallons of biodiesel each year."

http://www.eere.energy.gov/news/news...m?news_id=9846
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:24 PM   #7
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What do you guys know about this stuff? GM is pushing it big and I'm wondering if they might be on to something.
It's a blend of 15% gasoline and 85% ethyl alcohol (think everclear). As needaviper said your mileage will be less.It could be as much as 20%. There was a thread in Viper Discussions about an SVS car using E85. The octane boost is considerable.

The best thing about any of these alternative fuels is the fact that all the money spent on the fuel stays in the US. Now if you want to know about biodiesel, I can go on forever.
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It's a blend of 15% gasoline and 85% ethyl alcohol (think everclear). As needaviper said your mileage will be less.It could be as much as 20%. There was a thread in Viper Discussions about an SVS car using E85. The octane boost is considerable.

The best thing about any of these alternative fuels is the fact that all the money spent on the fuel stays in the US. Now if you want to know about biodiesel, I can go on forever.
Whats it going to take to convert a current diesel to bio diesel if anything is required at all?
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM   #9
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Whats it going to take to convert a current diesel to bio diesel if anything is required at all?
There's really no conversion at all. Any diesel newer than 1991 is fine. If it is older the fuel lines need to be changed to something like silicone. Biodiesel is a great solvent it will dissolve certain kinds of rubber. If you start to use biodiesel, use a lower percentage blend like b5 for a week. Then change your fuel filter. After that go to b20 and change the filter again. As soon as youv'e made it though those steps you are good to use any blend.

Biodiesel also provides greater lubricity, and will prolong your engine life. When the ultra low sulphur diesel standards come into effect this summer, you will need some type of lubricity additive.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:50 PM   #10
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I thought hydrogen would be the way to go but that's a few more years away I guess. I've been hearing more and more about E85 and biodesiel for the past year or so.
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Like Sniffer said about bio diesel e-85 or any ethanol gas is a extreme solvent. If you have just been using regular unleaded and switch to even a 10% ethanol gas be prepared to change your fuel filter. It took 120 miles to clog my fuel filter shut!
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Hopefully once in production the price would drop and eventually we can wean ourselves off of foreign dependency. Tonite I saw gas prices for super unleaded at $3.05. It is not summer yet so where are we going with this?
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Another thing about ethanol products since they are kind og like acohol they freeze at a very very low temp so if you live in a cold climate you don't need to worry about fuel line freeze up, But it does boil at a lower temp I believe and it has been known to vapor lock quite a few cars!
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Hopefully once in production the price would drop and eventually we can wean ourselves off of foreign dependency. Tonite I saw gas prices for super unleaded at $3.05. It is not summer yet so where are we going with this?
Not necessarily. The feedstocks used to produce ethanol and biodiesl are commodities. As these feedstocks are used more their price will go up. As corn and soybeans get used more for fuel, their price tends to track along with petroleum and the products that they replace. My production facility comes online in July and I spend most of my days buying feedstock. We will produce 40 million gallons a year and a $0.01 rise in the the price of a feedstock results in an extra three million dollars in cost.
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Would not a increase in demand for feedstock also help our farmer who have been devastated over the last decade. Keeping some of this money here should also help offset this great unbalance we have as the Oil Junkies of the world.
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Hopefully once in production the price would drop and eventually we can wean ourselves off of foreign dependency. Tonite I saw gas prices for super unleaded at $3.05. It is not summer yet so where are we going with this?



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Your production facility? Interesting. Care to elaborate?
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Your production facility? Interesting. Care to elaborate?
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I'm thinking more in line of advice or partnership but that stock thing is nice too.
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