Rudi coordinated all services and relief during the 9/11 attack.He coordinated with the state and feds and led the effort.He had the police,fire and everyone else lined up,instructed and marching.Thats what is supposed to happen.The fed gov't declared a state of emergency 2 days before the hurricane struck.Then they waited for the locals city,county,state to tell and direct the feds where they were needed.So what was the mayors and the cities plan for New Orleans and why didn't they implement?What was the state plan?Who was in charge?When was the state plan implemented?What are the local able bodied citizens doing to help out?Carrying material to the damaged levy or just raping,and looting?Why wern't they forced to leave?Why wern't the submerged school busses used for evacuation before hand?Why was a radio personality elected to be mayor?Why didn't the work on their own GD levies?I understand it would take 3.5-4.5 million dollars to have properly updated the levies.So what did the locals do?Did they charge themselfs the $250-$300 dollars per person to do their repairs or just ignore it?What idiots located communications,power generation etc below flood levels for municipal,hospital,pumping etc?AND NOW THEY are WHINING to the FEDS and want a BAIL OUT?Even the texicans had a plan and are taking in the human garbage. GTS Bruce
I think it's too premature to discuss but i'll toss in a few cents anyway.
Wasn't one of the big lessons learned during the 9/11 attacks that having a coordinated leadership at the local/state/federal level for the non-policy relief and rescue efforts a key objective? I thought this was one of the arguments for creating department of homeland security so that they could coordinate resources that used to be scattered around several other departments. Once state of emergency has declared there are in-state homeland security directors that coordinate and report to the federal level homeland security.
This is what the dept of homeland security puts on their web page: In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
I think it's too premature to discuss but i'll toss in a few cents anyway.
Wasn't one of the big lessons learned during the 9/11 attacks that having a coordinated leadership at the local/state/federal level for the non-policy relief and rescue efforts a key objective? I thought this was one of the arguments for creating department of homeland security so that they could coordinate resources that used to be scattered around several other departments. Once state of emergency has declared there are in-state homeland security directors that coordinate and report to the federal level homeland security.
This is what the dept of homeland security puts on their web page: In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
Thats all great Par, The Feds did prepare. They pre-emptivly declaired it an emergency area so all federal assets could be released. They began to prepare and pre position assets as well. They are the ones responsibe for the mandetory evac in the first place.
What you have to realize is on this scale only the military(To include the Guard) can do what needs to be done, no one else has the assets or man power. The National Guard comes under the the direct control of the governor of the state. The feds have nothing to do with it. It is the governors ball to drop. In Alabama, they did not hesitate, they called up all assets and declared Martial Law. The Governor of Louisiana hesitated and fucked up big time. If blame must be layed at someones doorstep it is at the State level.
The Governor of Louisiana is the week link in this chain. It is her responsibility alone to activate the troops she needs and her responsibility to request what she needs from the fed and other states. The Fed had its systems in place before hand for such a request. Homeland security does not trump the Military chain of command. End of story.
You may be right. I think it's too early to assign blame or really know where the problem is/was. If anything there seems to have been problems with leadership at many levels.
You may be right. I think it's too early to assign blame or really know where the problem is/was. If anything there seems to have been problems with leadership at many levels.
Agreed, there were major problems with leadership and if we put this thing under a microscope in the years to come we can fault every one. That is the nature of contact with the enemy, No plan survives the first engagment. However, This is NOT an issue of Federal Leadership. The Feds are not the responsible party until the Governor makes that request. Stupid cunt choked, plain and simple.
I think that the brown guy who runs fema is a weak leader. I think he completely missed the mark on command and control/intelligence.
I don't know if you saw the Ted Koppel interview with him (Michael Brown) on Nightline this week
but he was very ill prepared and wrong with so many answers. He just did not represent authority very well.
This was really a missed opportinity for The Department of Homeland security to shine and gain the confidence of leery people. Alternatively maybe this will be a good learning experience and things will move much smoother if there comes a day where we face another disaster.
Most likely though people will likely just have the same perceptions they've always had:
in the event of a major catastrophe putting one's own well being in the hands of the government
is short sighted thinking.
Agreed, there were major problems with leadership and if we put this thing under a microscope in the years to come we can fault every one. That is the nature of contact with the enemy, No plan survives the first engagment. However, This is NOT an issue of Federal Leadership. The Feds are not the responsible party until the Governor makes that request. Stupid cunt choked, plain and simple.
I went and checked up on this. The governor declared a state of emergency and formally requested federal help on august 28th. This formally puts the federal government in charge via FEMA and dept. of homeland security. President Bush formally declared at the federal level a state of emergency for missisippi and lousiana that same day.
When you say she choked, what exactly are you referring to?
I went and checked up on this. The governor declared a state of emergency and formally requested federal help on august 28th. This formally puts the federal government in charge via FEMA and dept. of homeland security. President Bush formally declared at the federal level a state of emergency for missisippi and lousiana that same day.
When you say she choked, what exactly are you referring to?
It be really helpful if you would put a link into your checking up.
It's the august 28th speach where bush authorizes the federal government to coordinate disaster relief.
I was wrong by the way. Bush signed the disaster declaration on August 27th for louisiana.
Yesterday, I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Louisiana, and this morning I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Mississippi. These declarations will allow federal agencies to coordinate all disaster relief efforts with state and local officials. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm.
FEMA and Homeland Security DO NOT trump the Military chain of command. And for the 10th time, the Military is the only outfit that can do a damned bit of good in this situation. FEMA and Homeland Security dont have a massive fleet of Blackhawks and C-130s. So the only thing you can tell me she did to take the burden off of her is find me a document that says she asked for her Military forces to be federalized.
She Hesitated and piecemealed. It is her damned fault.
I'm sure Par will come up with a link
but while I'm waiting nohsreg 1. Would you agree with MIchael Savage when he asserts that "Liberalism is a mental illness"? (somehow I think you will). 2. If the Governor of Louisiana is in fact mentally ill by that definition, then is it not the President's job to step up in the case of inaction in a State when American citizens are dying?
Ok, so it's overblown but doesn't the President (Federal Government) have a legal and moral obligation to protect citizens when the local/state government is unwilling or unable to provide? Or do we just say "well, heck, they'll straighten this up for themselves"? And if not then shouldn't things have been geared up so that the exact moment help was asked for it would be available?
These declarations will allow federal agencies to coordinate all disaster relief efforts with state and local officials. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm.
The FED set up the situation, they did their part. It is still up to the Governor of a state to make use of those assets being offered. You are probably confused by the Language. The President MUST activy and in clear language Federalize the Guard troops to make it his responsibility. This is a declaration within itself. He never did, She never requested it, Thus the responsibility for troops on the ground was hers.
I'm sure Par will come up with a link
but while I'm waiting nohsreg 1. Would you agree with MIchael Savage when he asserts that "Liberalism is a mental illness"? (somehow I think you will). 2. If the Governor of Louisiana is in fact mentally ill by that definition, then is it not the President's job to step up in the case of inaction in a State when American citizens are dying?
Ok, so it's overblown but doesn't the President (Federal Government) have a legal and moral obligation to protect citizens when the local/state government is unwilling or unable to provide? Or do we just say "well, heck, they'll straighten this up for themselves"? And if not then shouldn't things have been geared up so that the exact moment help was asked for it would be available?
Not a big Micheal Savage fan. But dipshits like you that dont understand the Military or the chain of command, have some pretty fucking deluded ideas. Regardless of what you think or feel about the issue there are some rigid rules about federalizing Guard troops. There are also some rigid rules about what federal troops can do on US soil. It is that simple. It is the Governors ass, not the FEDS.
These declarations will allow federal agencies to coordinate all disaster relief efforts with state and local officials. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm.
The FED set up the situation, they did their part. It is still up to the Governor of a state to make use of those assets being offered. You are probably confused by the Language. The President MUST activy and in clear language Federalize the Guard troops to make it his responsibility. This is a declaration within itself. He never did, She never requested it, Thus the responsibility for troops on the ground was hers.
I don't think you know the law. Especially the executive powers associated with a federal emergency declaration. Please point out what you base your assertion that the federal government was not authorized to bypass state or local administrative oversight after August 28.
I assume you are indirectly referring to the Posse Comitatus act?
No, not at all, I am talking about the Military chain of command, nothing more. Until Troops are federalized they are hers the FED has nothing to do with it. So who's fault is it when they are mismanaged or not called? What dont you get about that?
The FEDs do NOT want to federalize the Guard in a situation like this because of Posse Comitatus. But that is a different issue. Federal Troops MAY NOT police the citizenry of the United States on our own soil (There are exceptions and this event doesnt meet it) The Guard that falls under the control of the State, CAN be used for the policing of Citizens. So because of the Law, It is her ass that HAS TO STAY on the line when a police force is needed. She fucked up and hesitated.
