Hilary will win no doubt. Every woman and lib in America will go out and make that happen. Plus Bill Clinton was the greatest American president of modern times - picture perfect actually.
i can't friggin stand hillary clinton. She epitomizes everything i dislike about politicians. She is a populist and generally disconnected from everyday people due to her membership into the political class that are completely disconnected from everyday life. Born into the priviligied class, i doubt she has ever been close to her constituents or the lives they live.
Contrast her to McCain or Powell as suggested above, men who have worked and lived with everyday men and women and shaped their views on life based not on being a priviligied member of the political class but as everyday men being sent into harms way by their country working side by side with other men. I like that they have been exposedd to the experience of having to rely on their mental and physical strenghts to assure the safety and success for themselves. Look at that while thinking of Hillary's main asset which is being married to Bill. I don't know what you value, but a populist like hillary vs. real world experience?
i can't friggin stand hillary clinton. She epitomizes everything i dislike about politicians. She is a populist and generally disconnected from everyday people due to her membership into the political class that are completely disconnected from everyday life. Born into the priviligied class, i doubt she has ever been close to her constituents or the lives they live.
Contrast her to McCain or Powell as suggested above, men who have worked and lived with everyday men and women and shaped their views on life based not on being a priviligied member of the political class but as everyday men being sent into harms way by their country working side by side with other men. I like that they have been exposedd to the experience of having to rely on their mental and physical strenghts to assure the safety and success for themselves. Look at that while thinking of Hillary's main asset which is being married to Bill. I don't know what you value, but a populist like hillary vs. real world experience?
Anyway, my few cents...
What type of "experience" are you looking for? You like to vote for people that are involved in the military? Not bashing just want to understand your point? So a "good" choice for a president is military experience? Nothing wrong just trying to understand.
I like pretty much any business experience, any experience having to lead and being required to deliver result. I prefer non-legal professions, mostly because it seems (to me) that the legal profession and the political profession has too much in common.
I basically don't care for people who grew up into the political class, but people who had real world experience. Doctors, military, business leaders, professors from universities -those are the people with broad experiences who i think will advance society and make it better.
I look at hillary clinton and she did the things which the political class do:
1) went to yale law school
2) graduated and went to DC to work on Nixon's impeachment 73
3) School teacher for 2 years in 75
4) Bill becomes governor in 77 and they are now full time politicians. Barely two years of real world experience, and the law practice they had on the side during the governor years seems to have been mostly a platform for political activities.
do you see what i mean? These folks are so completely into the political class that they've lost touch with everyday folks. Heck, that new guy from Chicago, Barack Obama seems to have more touch in reality than hillary does. he worked in the financial sector, then organized housing projects, got his law degree from harward then spent the next 5 years as a professor at University of Chicago before succesfully running for a seat in the senate in 1996.
Hilary will win no doubt. Every woman and lib in America will go out and make that happen. Plus Bill Clinton was the greatest American president of modern times - picture perfect actually.
You couldn't be more wrong! Hillary doesn't stand a chance.
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Heck, that new guy from Chicago, Barack Obama seems to have more touch in reality than hillary does. he worked in the financial sector, then organized housing projects, got his law degree from harward then spent the next 5 years as a professor at University of Chicago before succesfully running for a seat in the senate in 1996.
Do you get what i mean?
Barack Osama is a great speaker. Beyond that, he's not only offensive, but worthless like his elder senator Turbin Durbin. I can't tell you how much I hate that these two anti Americans represent me.
Birvini, lighten up. I didn't use Obama as an example because i symphatize with him, i used him as an example because he seems more grounded in the real world than hillary has ever been.
Hilary will win no doubt. Every woman and lib in America will go out and make that happen. Plus Bill Clinton was the greatest American president of modern times - picture perfect actually.
You've been smokin too much wacky shit. bill clinton "the Greatest American president of modern times"
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Birvini, lighten up. I didn't use Obama as an example because i symphatize with him, i used him as an example because he seems more grounded in the real world than hillary has ever been.
Obama is great at coming off as a regular guy and masking the fact that his views are views that are socialist at best. He "seems more grounded" is exactly what makes him dangerous for this country.
I like pretty much any business experience, any experience having to lead and being required to deliver result. I prefer non-legal professions, mostly because it seems (to me) that the legal profession and the political profession has too much in common.
I basically don't care for people who grew up into the political class, but people who had real world experience. Doctors, military, business leaders, professors from universities -those are the people with broad experiences who i think will advance society and make it better.
I look at hillary clinton and she did the things which the political class do:
1) went to yale law school
2) graduated and went to DC to work on Nixon's impeachment 73
3) School teacher for 2 years in 75
4) Bill becomes governor in 77 and they are now full time politicians. Barely two years of real world experience, and the law practice they had on the side during the governor years seems to have been mostly a platform for political activities.
do you see what i mean? These folks are so completely into the political class that they've lost touch with everyday folks. Heck, that new guy from Chicago, Barack Obama seems to have more touch in reality than hillary does. he worked in the financial sector, then organized housing projects, got his law degree from harward then spent the next 5 years as a professor at University of Chicago before succesfully running for a seat in the senate in 1996.
Do you get what i mean?
Par,
Some good points! I am with you that real world experience counts for something, especially military service or business. However, I don't agree that professors or anyone else who has spent any extended period in academia is in touch with the real world. No offense but the same for doctors, too limited a field of endeavor.
People who know how to get honest results with meager resources and know the trials and failures that come with leadership. Those are the people I can respect and trust.
most of the greatest presidents this country has known have been lawyers.
what the fuck does having business experience have to do with running a country? he is not the treasurer or running the Federal Reserve. He has to be a leader. A spokesman. Someone who is knowledgeable about the law and the process. Someone who knows about foreign and domestic policy. Military. the economic side is but a small part of the job.
and what the fuck does a top executive know about the real world? do you think they are i touch with the little people moreso than lawyers or career politicians??? give me a break. do you think someone who went to Harvard Business school to get his MBA is more in touch with the people than someone who went to Yale Law school? UHHHHHHHHHH no.
if anything, the type of people of which you speak are walled off from the normal people of this land even moreso than lawyers and politicians. do you know where Bush lived before he became Governor? he lived in an area of Dallas known as Highland Park. Yeah, its nothing but Millionaires. Completely shielded and sealed off from the rest of Dallas. Yeah he was really in touch with the people. And my guess is that goes for just about every non-lawyer president we have ever had.
bottomline, there is no "better" profession or source to draw presidential candidates from but for my money, give me a strong, charismatic lawyer who loves this country more than life itself and will be a happy American. **humming the Star Spangled Banner**
The sad thing is that the truth is that Clinton is barely better, if at all, than some of the worst Presidents such as Carter.
Aside from his dumbass antics in the oval office with monica, how can you say that? Clinton almost wholesale adopted the Repubs Contract with America as his platform for his last 6 years. He helped grow a great economy, he helped revolutionize the Military in ways that are helping us even today (lighter and more agile), he balanced the budget, and he made education a priority in this country with increased financial aid etc..... If you say he was a bad president, then you must also belief the Repubs in the 90s were full of shit cause he basically became one.
i will make one concession....he did fuck up on the whole terrorism thing. he should have been more forceful in responding to OBL. but other than that huge mistake, i dont see too many other ones.
see thats one of the things i cant stand about most repubs. they cant bring themselves to give credit where credit is due. i for one can recognize the greatness that was Reagan and at the same time, acknowledge clinton's fantastic legacy. I also can point out how Carter sucked and as did Nixon. I can also say that i think Bush sr. shouldve beaten Clinton the first go around. I thought he did a good job and voted for him.
most of the greatest presidents this country has known have been lawyers.
what the fuck does having business experience have to do with running a country? he is not the treasurer or running the Federal Reserve. He has to be a leader. A spokesman. Someone who is knowledgeable about the law and the process. Someone who knows about foreign and domestic policy. Military. the economic side is but a small part of the job.
and what the fuck does a top executive know about the real world? do you think they are i touch with the little people moreso than lawyers or career politicians??? give me a break. do you think someone who went to Harvard Business school to get his MBA is more in touch with the people than someone who went to Yale Law school? UHHHHHHHHHH no.
if anything, the type of people of which you speak are walled off from the normal people of this land even moreso than lawyers and politicians. do you know where Bush lived before he became Governor? he lived in an area of Dallas known as Highland Park. Yeah, its nothing but Millionaires. Completely shielded and sealed off from the rest of Dallas. Yeah he was really in touch with the people. And my guess is that goes for just about every non-lawyer president we have ever had.
bottomline, there is no "better" profession or source to draw presidential candidates from but for my money, give me a strong, charismatic lawyer who loves this country more than life itself and will be a happy American. **humming the Star Spangled Banner**
All your points overlook the simple fact that the President is a leader. Any business executive or military officer has much greater leadership experience than any lawyer will ever have. Business and military leaders have experience making the tough decisions that affect scores of people. Kind of sounds like what the president is expected to do.
A large majority of, but admittedly not all, lawyers are ass-hole scum bags who don't make a dime unless somebody gets fucked. Show me a lawyer who isn't wealthy and who embraces tort reform and that one might be honest. But it doesn't mean he has any qualifications to be president.
All your points overlook the simple fact that the President is a leader.
do they teach you navy guys to read AND comprehend?
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HEY PAR!!! WHY YOU HATIN ON LAWYERS? most of the greatest presidents this country has known have been lawyers. what the fuck does having business experience have to do with running a country? he is not the treasurer or running the Federal Reserve. He has to be a leader.
guess you missed that part.
there is nothing that a business executive does that a successful lawyer doesnt as far as leading and having his decisions impact lots of people. but you know that already.
also, tort reform? tort reform? OMG! you work for the insurance companies now? tort reform is nothing more than welfare for insurance companies. cause it aint help the american public at all. wanna know why? cause everything the insurance company was obligated to pay before tort reform has now been passed on to the American taxpayer. good job bitch, you just voluntarily assumed their liabilities and obligations. hope you have some stock in insurance companies to help offset your increased tax liability.
even YOUR own administration's report on tort reform said it would be ineffective and that tort lawsuits were not the cause of increased insurance premiums instead it was bad investments on the insurace companies' part.
but what do i know....i just do this for a living...you're in the navy afterall. im sure you got it all figured out.
do they teach you navy guys to read AND comprehend?
guess you missed that part.
there is nothing that a business executive does that a successful lawyer doesnt as far as leading and having his decisions impact lots of people. but you know that already.
also, tort reform? tort reform? OMG! you work for the insurance companies now? tort reform is nothing more than welfare for insurance companies. cause it aint help the american public at all. wanna know why? cause everything the insurance company was obligated to pay before tort reform has now been passed on to the American taxpayer. good job bitch, you just voluntarily assumed their liabilities and obligations. hope you have some stock in insurance companies to help offset your increased tax liability.
even YOUR own administration's report on tort reform said it would be ineffective and that tort lawsuits were not the cause of increased insurance premiums instead it was bad investments on the insurace companies' part.
but what do i know....i just do this for a living...you're in the navy afterall. im sure you got it all figured out.
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This is what I get for arguing with a lawyer...
Your arguments can be turned and spun with precision to argue whatever point you like. However precise your argument may be they still lack accuracy. A lawyer does not have the leadership experience of people, money, equipment, and tasks that a CEO (of a large company) or a high ranking military officer does. There is also the issue of long range planning and the long term management of programs and policies.
When it comes to foreign policy, a military officer at the level of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or a Unified Commander will have years of high level political interaction with foreign powers. I don't see any lawyer having these experiences.
This is without even tackling the issues of morality and character. Famous lawyer presidents such as Clinton have illustrated the problems lack of character and morals bring to the White House. Clinton was a great public speaker, an empathetic and charismatic leader, yet ultimately a morally bankrupt and devious snake in the grass. (Even eventually disbarred.)
Regarding tort reform, I will not pretend to be an expert, but it is clear that the system is broken and out of control. Our society has become litigation happy, and I lay that in the lap of greedy lawyers. I'm not saying I agree with any particular administrations plan for tort reform, but it needs to happen. I don't know your particular field of law, but I would not believe that a lawyer who makes his money in litigation would have an unbiased opinion on tort reform.
