I'm thinking the federal prosecutor does not appreciate being lied to. Tomorrow (Friday) is going to be a big news day. I love that America is opening up her eyes once again. :thumb:
He hasn't harmed me personally. He has harmed the country collectively. He offends my senses the same way that an abortionist would offend someone who is pro-life. The pro-lifer is offended by the action of the abortionist, yet the abortionist is causing no direct harm to the pro-lifer.
Here is another example. I don't know if you are a married man or not, but imagine if you caught your wife sleeping with another man. I'd think you would be upset? How did your wife actually harm you by sleeping around?
Or is it the Liberal Media is spewing horse manure again?
Odd, Glen used the word "manure" yesterday and now it's here... did the GOP send out some kind of memo to all Conservatives to be sure to use the word "manure" when posting about this stuff?
He hasn't harmed me personally. He has harmed the country collectively. He offends my senses the same way that an abortionist would offend someone who is pro-life. The pro-lifer is offended by the action of the abortionist, yet the abortionist is causing no direct harm to the pro-lifer.
Here is another example. I don't know if you are a married man or not, but imagine if you caught your wife sleeping with another man. I'd think you would be upset? How did your wife actually harm you by sleeping around?
From your first paragraph, there is not a single person alive who wouldn't harm someone else.
Funny how your second paragraph pertains back to Slick Willy.
Odd, Glen used the word "manure" yesterday and now it's here... did the GOP send out some kind of memo to all Conservatives to be sure to use the word "manure" when posting about this stuff?
Yes... yes there was a memo, and it was marked "private".
Why is it that you Republican supporters can't or won't see the wrongness of what Rove and Libby have done and can't see how inadequate a response the president has made to this. This has nothing to do with if a crime was committed or not. That is still to be determined.
Ex-CIA Officers Rip Bush Over Rove Leak
By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer Fri Jul 22, 3:22 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized
President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of aCIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.
In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity, the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the war on terror. Federal law forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer.
"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief — protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."
Rove, Bush's deputy chief of staff, told Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper in a 2003 phone call that former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues, according to an account by Cooper in the magazine. Rove has not disputed that he told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the agency, but has said through his lawyer that he did not mention her by name.
In July 2003, Robert Novak, citing unnamed administration officials, identified Plame by name in his syndicated column and wrote that she worked for the CIA. The column has led to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. New York Times reporter Judith Miller — who never wrote a story about Plame — has been jailed for refusing to testify.
Bush said last week, "I think it's best that people wait until the investigation is complete before you jump to conclusions. And I will do so, as well."
Dana Perino, a White House spokesman, said Friday that the administration would have no comment on the investigation while it was continuing.
Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel and defense intelligence officer, said Bush's silence sends a bad signal to foreigners who might be thinking of cooperating with the U.S. on intelligence matters.
"This says to them that if you decide to cooperate, someone will give you up, so you don't do it," Lang said. "They are not going to trust you in any way."
Johnson, who said he is a registered Republican, said he wished a GOP lawmaker would have the courage to stand up and "call the ugly dog the ugly dog."
"Where are these men and women with any integrity to speak out against this?" Johnson asked. "I expect better behavior out of Republicans."
And Glen (Confrontational) IMHO a little objectivity from you would go a long way....
Law - I find it interesting that this story has been overhyped and overblown since the second democrats thought they had something... It was just too funny watching Mikie go from prison scandals, to memos that will bring the president down, to Rove...
Come on Law - Mikie is laughable on merit alone - let alone when he fires up the conspiracy engines...
I treat just as it is - there are no facts that he violated any laws... But, there does happen to be a lot of conspiracy theories - why are you not bashing your fellow party goers in regards to those manufactured stories?
Are you saying that one can do wrong only if it is certain that a law is broken? I've noticed that the Repubs are no longer sticking to denial. That ahs failed. Now, it's word games. Sound like a last resort, or maybe "last throes" to use a Cheney-ism.
I really don't give a fuck what you want to call it mikie - you kids just aren't getting what you want - so you keep changing the rules...
You'd think Rove sold weapon secrets to China from Los Alamos or something
Anyways, keep hyping it Mikie, and keep pounding for a resignation even though no laws were violated... Oh, wait, maybe your side could create some new amendments quick just for this type of behavior...
I really don't give a fuck what you want to call it mikie - you kids just aren't getting what you want - so you keep changing the rules...
You'd think Rove sold weapon secrets to China from Los Alamos or something
Anyways, keep hyping it Mikie, and keep pounding for a resignation even though no laws were violated... Oh, wait, maybe your side could create some new amendments quick just for this type of behavior...
Good luck...
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I don't have to hype this. The press is all over it and things are just warming up. Let's see how the White House can stand the heat...
What Did the President Know?
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, July 25, 2005; 1:30 PM
Now that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald is said to have expanded his investigation into the leak of a CIA agent's identity to encompass a possible White House coverup, what the president and the vice president knew would appear to be much more relevant.
Fitzgerald interviewed both President Bush and Vice President Cheney more than a year ago, at what seemed at the time like the tail end of his investigation into the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Bush and Cheney were not placed under oath -- the reasoning apparently being that they had no direct involvement in the potential criminal activity under investigation: the leak itself. We don't know much about either interview, beyond the fact that Bush had his personal attorney at his side.
But now Fitzgerald's investigation appears to have turned its focus to discrepancies in the testimony of White House senior adviser Karl Rove and vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Fitzgerald may be trying to determine whether evidence exists to bring perjury or obstruction of justice charges.
And that raises the issue of what -- if anything -- Rove and Libby told Bush and Cheney about their roles.
So does that mean Fitzgerald might call Bush and Cheney to testify before the grand jury -- under oath? Might he even have done so already? We have no idea, of course, because the White House isn't saying anything at all about the investigation anymore.
Either way, the CIA leak story is taking on more and more of the trappings of the classic Washington political scandal -- the saving grace for Bush being that his party controls Congress, and that thus far, Republicans have closed ranks behind him.
But get ready for more and more talk about the parallels between this story and the Clinton intern scandal -- and of course, Watergate.
We're already hearing some of the prototypical questions being raised. Here's former presidential adviser David Gergen, on ABC's "This Week" yesterday: "What did the president know and when did he know it?"
Don't you just love a good Washington scandle, especially when the top Republicans are sliding into deep shit? Funny thing is: I just knew it was all there just waiting to be found. Bush could be sorry he got re-elected!
