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Still For Sale: \'99 ACR
Old June 11th, 2004, 06:20 PM   #1
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Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

1999 Dodge Viper GTS/ACR
Color: Silver
Stripes: Blue
Interior: Black
Asking Price: $58,900 or best offer


-This is 1 of only 23 Silver/Blue Stripes ACR's
-521 HP
-569 FT/LBS TQ
-'99 was the last year with the strong
forged pistons and bigger cam.
-This ACR has A/C, black interior, factory Alpine stereo w/cd
-19" Forgeline VR1's with Michelin Pilot Sports -Full B&B stainless steel headers and 3" exhaust
system
-Aluminum flywheel
-VEC-1 air/fuel ratio controller.
-I have the original dealer window sticker showing the price of this car new at $84,835
-24k miles


-I live in Florida you can reach me at 904.298.2236 or se my add in the classifieds here http://www.viperalley.com/classified...hp?product=179 and send me an e-mail.


NEGOTIABLE. ALL OFFERS CONSIDERED.
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR
Old June 11th, 2004, 06:32 PM   #2
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

I'm broke because I have a small child that I wouldnt trade for anything but maybe a competition coupe, but people are going to want to know if those HP figures are at the wheels or are estimated crank HP numbers.

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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:39 PM   #3
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Yeah your right. Last time I posted it the same thing happened.

Here is the run down.

the 521 is flywheel HP.

It spun the dyno rollers to 443.7 hp and 484.8 ft/lb tq

I used a 15% drivetrain loss to come to the 521 flywheel HP actually (522 hp)


At gainsville raceway I went 11.90 @ 122 mph on wore out 335 michelin pilot sports
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:20 PM   #4
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Do you have the factory wheels still?
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:22 PM   #5
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Don't take this the wrong way, but that a 50K car... sorry... plus it take a special person to want silver and blue. Lower the price and it has a shot.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:42 PM   #6
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

What's wrong with silver and blue?
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:44 PM   #7
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

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What's wrong with silver and blue?
I like silver and blue, but it's not a standard red, black, white. Odd ball colors are just harder to sell. If that was solid black he would have his phone ringing.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:45 PM   #8
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Yeah I still have the factory wheels but the car only comes with one or the other not both sets.

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"a special person to want silver and blue"... that's exactly one reason why it IS a 50K car.

However, I don't feel like holding on to it much longer so that's why I will consider all offers.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:10 PM   #9
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Yeah your right. Last time I posted it the same thing happened.

Here is the run down.

the 521 is flywheel HP.

It spun the dyno rollers to 443.7 hp and 484.8 ft/lb tq

I used a 15% drivetrain loss to come to the 521 flywheel HP actually (522 hp)


At gainsville raceway I went 11.90 @ 122 mph on wore out 335 michelin pilot sports
O.k., we all know dyno's can be fickle, but I will say that the 122 trap speed is pretty stout. However, I cannot believe that the simple addition of a VEC-1 gives 521 crank hp. First of all, 15% is a little generous on the driveline loss, but if the dyno is tweaked, then the number is meaningless, anyway. What we can look to is the 122 trap speed, since I would trust a trap speed more than any dyno.

Using the formula of hp = weight[(Trap Speed/234)^3], and assuming a curb weight of about 3400, I get an hp number of 481.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:14 PM   #10
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

I don't have trap speeds but a 15% loss on mine works out to 525 flywheel HP.

Admittedly, Sean said it was the biggest gain he's ever seen off a VEC1.
The only other mods were smooth tubes, no muffler, and probably-irrelevant brand-new 10mm MGW wires and Bosch Platinum+4 plugs.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:14 PM   #11
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

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Using the formula of hp = weight[(Trap Speed/234)^3], and assuming a curb weight of about 3400, I get an hp number of 481.
Ok...... but is that at the wheels or estimated crank? [img]/images/graemlins/laughing.gif[/img]
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:25 PM   #12
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:39 PM   #13
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Kid,

Did you read my post? Simple addition of a VEC-1? I have more mods than just that.


...and next you need to redo your math. First off all you have the curb weight wrong and secondly last time I checked a car can't make it down the track by itself. It needs a driver so you have to add that weight in as well.

The curb weight of a viper is closer to 3480lbs. Now add the driver (me) 180 lbs = 3660lbs

Now take that number and recalculate your little formula and you get:

hp = weight[(Trap Speed/234)^3] 518.69 hp

...and for your fourth mistake, your statement "First of all, 15% is a little generous on the driveline loss" so your saying the driveline loss is more than 15%.

Well factoring more than a 15% loss would RAISE the flywheel horsepower and your saying mine is already too high.

For example:

1.) with a 15% loss 443.7/.85= 522 hp
2.) with a 18% loss 443.7/.82= 541 hp



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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:51 PM   #14
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

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-This is 1 of only 23 Silver/Blue Stripes ACR's



If this truly is 1 of the 23 Sliver/Blue ACR's, why do the stripes not go through the front air inlet? Those stripes are not factory.








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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:55 PM   #15
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

i think i saw that car at macedos shop before the stripes. i dont remember it being an acr either but it could have just been another pristine silver gts with those wheels on it in orlando
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:59 PM   #16
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Will ya take $2000 and a three-legged dog for it????? (he's fun to watch when he lifts his leg to pee)
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Old June 11th, 2004, 09:10 PM   #17
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Austin,

You really should get your facts straight before you go running off at the mouth... IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID.

I bought the car used. Some guy traded it in to a Honda dealer
in Delray Beach. We'll the stupid sales manager didn't know how
to open the hood so he was pulling up with all his might on the NACA
duct and broke it. I bought the car as is and had to buy a new NACA
duct. they don't come painted and I had it on the car for a while
before I painted.

Here is my VIN so you can check to see that
it is an ACR... Ignorant DickHead

VIN: 1B3ER69E5XV503969

and for you "tbaggn" my car has never been a Larry's shop. [color:"red"] [/color]
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Old June 11th, 2004, 09:12 PM   #18
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

guess it was a twin, nice ride none the less. i think craig was talking about the stripes inside the bumper and not the naca duct though
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Old June 11th, 2004, 09:12 PM   #19
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

Forget the $2000 just the dog would be a fair trade. How far from Florida are you?
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Old June 11th, 2004, 09:22 PM   #20
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Re: Still For Sale: \'99 ACR

tbaggn,

Well if he was talking about the front fascia then he is dumber
than I thought becasue you can clearly see the stripes.

But I'm sure he was talking about the NACA Duct, its just that he is to
stupid to know the proper names for the parts of a car he owns himself, so
he calls it the "air inlet"
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