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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:33 AM   #1
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Might want to wait to buy a TV

Intel is going to be unveiling their new LCoS monitors at Comdex this year. They project that they can make a 50" flat screen lighter than anything out there, and for 2,000$ !!!

I've heard 40" will be below 1K. Very cool stuff... Intel wants to do to the TV market what they did to the PC market in the early 90's.

Stay tuned.


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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:35 AM   #2
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

If it is not HD then there is already some out there. Now if it is HD for that price then it is worth the wait. Speaking of which I am buying a TV for the beach this weekend. I have 2 HD flats at the house and the beach place has a large cut out aboue the fire place for TV. So my question is what is the largest tube HD TV made? 42"? Not sure?
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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:37 AM   #3
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

Yes, they are HDTVs that are as thin as current LCDs. TI makes a bunch of components already, but Intel want's a piece of the action.


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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:44 AM   #4
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

Thanks for the heads up. I've been itching for an upgrade ever since stinkin' Mark O won my plasma TV [img]/images/graemlins/supergrin.gif[/img] If they do a 50" HD LCoS for $2K they will blow away the market. Almost seems unbelievable.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:52 AM   #5
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

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Yes, they are HDTVs that are as thin as current LCDs. TI makes a bunch of components already, but Intel want's a piece of the action.


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Now that is some good news, just hate I have forked over 15 grand for the 2 I currently have. :doh:
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Old January 8th, 2004, 11:59 AM   #6
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

But if you always wait for a price reduction, next best tv, etc., you will never have anything. You bought it, enjoy it.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:44 PM   #7
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Thanks for the heads up. I've been itching for an upgrade ever since stinkin' Mark O won my plasma TV [img]/images/graemlins/supergrin.gif[/img] If they do a 50" HD LCoS for $2K they will blow away the market. Almost seems unbelievable.
I could afford a $2000 TV and have the patience to wait. $8-9000 for a 50" TV is way beyond what I'd pay for a TV (unless it had a built in popcorn maker).

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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:46 PM   #8
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

Damn, I just spent over 5,000 for my parents TV I gave them for Christmas.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:47 PM   #9
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

I guess I'll hold on to my black & white for a little while longer. [img]/images/graemlins/supergrin.gif[/img]
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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:48 PM   #10
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

Any suggestions on the largest HD tube available w/o me doing a bunch of useless work myself, when I could be on here doing useless shit....lol
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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:51 PM   #11
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

My next TV will be a front projector. Costs about the same and you can get it as big as you want.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 12:59 PM   #12
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

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Any suggestions on the largest HD tube available w/o me doing a bunch of useless work myself, when I could be on here doing useless shit....lol
Have you looked at the new Sony Grand Wega TV's? Not tube, but LCD and a pretty good price.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 01:00 PM   #13
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

Sanyo releases low-price 53-inch LCOS TV

Jillian Shih, Taipei; Carrie Yu, DigiTimes.com [Thursday 18 December 2003]


Sanyo Electric on December 16 unveiled a 53-inch LCOS (liquid crystal on silicon) RPTV (rear-projection television) priced at NT$99,800 (about US$2,927) for the Taiwan market.

The TV uses a 1080i-panel (with a resolution of 1,024x768 pixels) and 0.72-inch (second-generation) chip and has a 4:3 aspect ratio.

United Microelectronics Corporation (UMC) handled the IC design, Thintek Optronics the optical engine design, Premier Image Technology the optical engine manufacturing, United Microdisplay Optronics (UMO) the LCD manufacturing, and Sanyo Electric the final assembly.

UMC, UMO and Premier Image Technology founded Thintek on November 1. UMC founded UMO in September 2002 and held an 85% stake in the company as of the end of 2002.

The companies were able to lower production costs by improving the optical engine yield rate and having a complete Taiwanese supply chain, commented Charlie Han, vice president of Thintek.

Taiwan-based home appliance manufacturer Kolin released a 50-inch LCOS TV priced at NT$149,000 last June, with support from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) in panel production and US-based eLCOS Microdisplay Technology in panel design.

Sanyo and UMC will also cooperate in developing a 55-inch next-generation, 16:9 aspect ratio LCOS TV and expects to launch the product by the second quarter of next year.

UMC also plans to release 1080p LCOS panel samples (with a higher resolution of 1,920×1,080 pixels), mainly for 55- to 62-inch LCOS TVs, in the third or fourth quarter of next year, according to J.J. Lee, chairman and president of UMO.

Besides Sanyo Electric, the main players in Taiwan’s LCOS TV market include LG Electronics (LGE), Samsung Electronics, Sony (has developed 0.78-inch, 1,920×1,080-pixel LCOS panels) and Taiwan-based Optoma. Epson plans to enter the market in 2004.

Sanyo has a price advantage over vendors of TVs manufactured overseas, which are subject to a 12% tariff.

Sanyo: 53-inch LCOS TV supply chain


Company
Note

Panel
Toppan (Japan)
Size: 0.75-inch

Ratio: 4:3

Resolution: 1080i

IC design
United Microelectronics Corporation (UMC)
0.35-micron CMOS logic

Optical engine design
Thintek Optronics
Engine type: Three-channel projector

Brightness: 350 lumen (LM)

Optical engine manufacturer
Premier Image Technology
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LCD manufacturer
United Microdisplay Optronics (UMO)
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Packaging, AV technology and sales
Sanyo Electric
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Old January 8th, 2004, 01:03 PM   #14
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

I really want a tube. I have enough HD plasma and been there done that with rear projection.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 01:05 PM   #15
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

I guess my only reservation is that the current LCoS models out from manufacturers like Toshiba have been getting less than stellar reviews when weighed against other LCD and DLP displays.

It will be really interesting to see what Intel does.
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

I think I'll go projector. Intel's chips will be used in everything though so price will drop through the floor.

I saw a 2000 lumen projector the other day, and res is pretty standard now at 1024x768 - with 1200x1024 here and there.

That way, my screen size is only limited by the size of my wall.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 02:08 PM   #17
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I saw a 2000 lumen projector the other day, and res is pretty standard now at 1024x768 - with 1200x1024 here and there.

That way, my screen size is only limited by the size of my wall.
Who made it and how much was it? I worry about projector visibility during daylight hours. That and having to buy a screen.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 03:04 PM   #18
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

And just over the horizon we have TDEL... Thick Film Dielectric. It's thin and lightweight like LCDs, bright like plasmas, fast like CRTs, and has a much wider viewing angle than anything else except CRT.

Kenny posted something about Sanyo, and as it turns out, Sanyo is the largest manufacturer of non-CRT televisions in the world (and that includes many TV's that carry the names of non-Sanyo companies).

Last year Sanyo signed a deal with a company called Westaim to produce the first run of TDEL TV's and computer monitors. They're starting relatively small for the initial run which is expected to hit stores around the end of the year, but the important point is that Westaim has worked on not just the technology, but also the manufacturing side of things, which together they have dubbed iFire. This means when they start cranking out the widescreens around the end of 2005, TDEL prices should be roughly equivalent to CRT prices -- CHEAP.

I saw some TDEL displays at a computer show and they were quite impressive. So... a 1-inch thick 38" display for $800 or so? I'll take one.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 03:06 PM   #19
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Re: Might want to wait to buy a TV

fuck [img]/images/graemlins/cursin[/img]i just bought a 55inch mitsu that will be delivered sat.
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Old January 8th, 2004, 03:12 PM   #20
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fuck [img]/images/graemlins/cursin[/img]i just bought a 55inch mitsu that will be delivered sat.
Well, enjoy it for a year or two while these new technologies grow and mature and then upgrade when someone finally wins the format war for best display type.

Alot of these technologies have serious growing pains. I know of people with the Samsung DLP sets that have been eating $300 lamps every 6 months. I've heard Samsung has already quit producing new lamps and is incorporating a service technician installed replacement system. I'd rather not be beta testing stuff like this. A good HD RPTV or front projector is still the safest long term bet right now.
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