Dalton, your post shows your lack of knowledge as well as your lack of ethics. I have not thrown YOUR name around anywhere. I have not made it public knowledge that Kyle pulled your kit off of his GTS because it overheats in 80 degree weather with the AC on. You simply don't know shit!!! PERIOD.
You wanna call me out, please do. I have data logs that show 16 degrees of timing retard from stock, logs that show over 12 lbs of boost, dyno graphs that show air fuel, I can go on and on. And just to be clear, all the logging and dyno runs do save with DATE AND TIME stamps in case you want me to get really fucking specific.
You know how shit went down. You know I called you after the 1st dyno run and told you it was smoking its ass off and you told me to check the way you had the PCV system ran. You know you were too big of a pussy to call YOUR customer and tell him his shit got blown up. You were the one that said, and I FUCKING QUOTE " There is no need to mention the 12 lbs of boost" Ya, Tony is not 100% correct in some of the things he posted. Maybe tomorrow when I am not so damn mad I will straighten him out on a few points. You were so scared about all of this that you wouldn't even take MY phone calls much less the customer. When I do something for the first time, I am 100% responsible for it. Have I had to eat some shit because a vendor/sublet person fucked up, yep! In the REAL world it is this: You "prototyped" the kit, the truck blew up, you, as the builder should be 100% responsible for every person that touched the truck and every problem encountered. YOU chose the tuner, you are responsible for said tuner blowing the shit up as much as you would be resposible if your floor sweeper guy ran it into a pole. I ain't here to play he did/he said/I heard. Man up, you gotta problem, call me out on it, otherwise, shut you mouth about me and my business before you dig a hole you can't get out of.
DW
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Originally Posted by proturbosystems
Just when you think you understand life and business…you get surprised.
It blows me away some times when you try to do good business and things
Just go south. What really bothers me the most is when information just
Gets so skewed that the truth just doesn’t come out anymore. So lets look
Through this information and lets list the other side of the story. First let
Me state that I am not here to start fights or to keep this going. I just want
To list the facts.
To start I made the decision to drive the truck to ART. And two tony knew
About this. The vehicle never went under boost and the vehicle was driven
In complete care. This is something that we have done many times with many
Vehicles. The truck arrived in perfect working order. I got a call days later that the
Truck was only making about 3-4 lbs of boost. So I decided to speed things along and
Come up to help. When I arrived many dyno pulls had already been done. That day
David and I went over the truck. I had found that some of the injector clips on the
New 83pph low imp injectors where very loose. Almost falling off. In between runs
David got out of the truck wiggle a couple of injectors got back into the truck and
Made another pull. The truck picked up almost another 100 HP to the tire. At this
Point I told david that I have got injector clips back at the shop that will work properly.
( Looking back I should of made a big deal about this..sadly I didn’t) I cam back up the
Next day with a boost controller and the clips. He put the new clips on and we made some
More pulls.
During these pulls david was telling me about how of with the Gen 3 computers in
Conjuction with a Vec 2 That the factory computer will over ride the timing controls under 3,000
Rpm..( I belive this is the wot timer) Excuse my explanation I am not a tuner. Now the system
Makes full boost around 2300-2500 rpm. So in my mind there is 500-700 rpm gap of control. OK
To me that sounds unstable. ( later after talking to several other tuners there is a flash that the factory
Computer has to go though in order to remove this feature to make the Vec 2 have complete control of timing)
So anyways back to the second day at the tuning shop. Something that we noticed was that the truck
Would smoke at high rpm pulls.
Looking over things with David we had found that the back of the intake
Has a pcv port that goes into the crankcase. Which means under boost that it will presurize the crank case
And will push oil into the manifold that can cause a smoking effect. Anyways back to the 3 or 4th run on the second day. David and I decided to hook in a manual boost controller and raise the boost level to 7psi. So
I hook it in and we make a pull with the boost controller turned all the way down. We then made a pull
The truck went to 9.5-10 psi of boost and David got out of it right away. We then moved some of the
Vaccum lines around to find a better vac source. We then made several more pulls at lower boost level.
Around 7-7.5 psi. In my mind when ever adding in a boost contoller you need to almost make the vehicle
Too rich and timing more retarded just in case of a spike. I do not think that this was done.
As time progressed the truck started to smoke more at high RPM’s and then during de-acceleration. On the
Last pull of the day at over 5,000 rpm the truck started pushing oil out of the crankcase vent on the
Driver side of the truck. Which then cought fire which I then jumped around like a monkey found the fire
Extengisher and put the fire out. Upon restart the motor had a miss. After talking to david about what to do
About this he said that they would look into helping him out because of this being a partial tuning mishap.
So looking back at this there were over 15 -20 runs made before the motor let go. I do not believe that there
Was damage from the drive up, if the motor had damage it would of shown much earlier. I simply believe that tuning was too close to the edge for the stock motor to handle. After this I called the customer the same say
And left a message. I didn’t get a call back until 2 days later. At that point I was trying to help out the
Customer by buying pistons. They told me that they were going to get them from Roe racing for 1100.00.
I said let me call them and take care of it. I did and I paid for them that day.
Days later I get another call from Tony or his wife stated that those pistons were not good enough and that the ones that they want
Are 1500.00. I said fine I will do it. They then said wait for us to let you know they need the money. We
Said ok. Skip forward several months to last week. Joanne calls that tells me that they want the money.
I go to my accountant. He tells me that we do not have the liquid cash to give at that time only around
700.00, So I tell her this information and ask her if we can pay the 700.00 and then in a week or two pay the
remaining. She agrees. Finally the truck has the motor in it and they bring it to us late monday.
The customer asks us if we can have the install done by thurs at 1 because the guys at ART want it back asap! I said no problem.
I will have it done. The Twin system uses the wastegate and BOV and some of the oil feed and drain lines
off of the single system. So I decide to go up there to get them. When I get there they tell me that I cant get
my stuff until the pistons are paid for. For one someone could of told me this instead of it being a mystery.
So we take care of the bill get our parts and leave. We get the install done and we get it done early. But
Art did not come and get it until the next day.
So let me look at this whole situation again. We worked out a
great deal on a twin turbo package for the customer. Got it done in one month to where it was ready to tune.
Gave you free meth system and boost controller for letting us build a single turbo system onto your truck which you agreed to do.
To make a product that could hang with the STS products. Kept in contact with you during the whole process.
And when the motor had damage we bought you a set of pistons (Keep in mind at the retail price). We have
Done nothing but our JOB. I find it disturbing that we are being painted as a company that took advantage of
You!
Going through your post I want to point some things out….
When David received the truck it was smokking badly (Incorrect is did not smoke badly)
He could not get any boost so he called pro turbo (Incorrect it was making 3-4 lbs)
They came up and changed a few things. To the dyno again. Frist pull netted over 10lbs of boost and David immedialty shut it down. Second pull 8lbs and he sut it down again. third pull and the engine let go, #3 went south. And I do belive a member of viper alley witnessed all this. ( What about the other dyno pulls when I was not there,
I witnessed over 8 pulls in my company, the only people present during the tuning was David and I)
Then it came time to have pro turbo install the twins. David took down the truck to them , and on my insistance told him to keep the single kit since pro turbo said that they could only pay half of the pistons about $700. Pro turbo then showed up at ART the next day demanding the single kit, since they needed parts of it to finish my twins. I said no until they paid the piston part in full. (Well someone could have told us!!! We went up there with out knowing any of this!)
They got the twins installed and David and Cody were not around and pro turbo insisted on the truck being removed from thier shop. So I had Cameron find a tow company to pick up the truck on a roll back and towedd to ART, which I had to pay for , pro turbo would not even help loook up a tow company for Cameron. (We insisted that the truck be
Removed from our shop…where did you get this from!!! You told me it had to be done! For one Cameron cant pick up
A phone book or look on the internet for a tow company!)
So I had the piston checked. It was found that the piston failed from detonation and a lean condition. (Well off course the piston had failure from detonation. This is not a mystery or something that has been kept from you.)
I was told that with the turbos spinning even if it didn’t make boost it added extra air into the system. (That is completely not true! When a motor is not under a positive pressure=boost no more air is being used than can be consumed, thus no more fuel is needed.)
I was also told by the person that delivered it to ART that the truck felt "peppy" leading me to believe it was not driven cautiously to ART. (I was the one that delivered the truck to ART. And I was referring to low end ability
And ease of driving. It is really funny how this is being used to make us look bad. Actually it’s sad.)
And I also had to threaten to sue pro turbo before they would actually finish the twin system so it could be returned to ART (WHAT in the world are you talking about! When did you ever do this! And why would you even have to!)
It’s a shame that all we wanted was to give you a great deal so that you would be happy. I am sorry that things have turned out like they have. But I will not sit by and let our company be attacked when we have done nothing wrong.
I wish you the best of luck in the future.
Dalton Campbell
Pro Turbo Systems.LLC
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